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.io sai mi ckire do xorxes. lo nu sidju mi lo nu cilre fi la lojban.

On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 4:48:51 PM UTC-8, xorxes wrote:
>
> On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Demian Koller <d3m...@gmail.com<javascript:>> 
> wrote: 
> > coi ro do 
> > 
> > I'm just hoping someone can answer a quick question for me. I'm trying 
> to 
> > translate this sentence from Lojban for Beginners: "Right now, I've been 
> > working for some time." In Lojban I came up with: "mi ca pu ze'a gunka". 
> But 
> > the answer the book gives is "mi cazize'a gunka", or maybe "mi puzize'a 
> > gunka". Mine seems to combine both, but would it be considered 
> > valid/understandable? It seems like tenses can be approached in 
> different 
> > ways. Thanks! 
>
> One approach to capture all the nuances of the English version is as 
> follows: 
>
> right now: nau ku 
> have been: ba'o 
> for some time: ze'a 
> work-ing: ca'o gunka 
>
> (Right now, (I've been ((work-ing) for some time))) 
> (nau ku mi (ba'o (ze'a (ca'o gunka)))). 
>
> In Lojban ze'a needs to come before ca'o to get the right scope, but 
> otherwise it's like the English. 
>
> "ca'o gunka" gets an ongoing work (i.e. a stage when it has already 
> started and is not yet finished). 
> "ze'a" gives an extension of "some time" to this ongoing stage. 
> "ba'o" gets us the stage after this period of ongoing work. 
> "nau ku" places this in the present. 
>
> The working probably still continues at present, for otherwise it 
> would not make sense to use "ca'o". which limits "ze'a" to an ongoing, 
> not yet finished stage. 
>
> mu'o mi'e xorxes 
>

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.io sai mi ckire do xorxes. lo nu sidju mi lo nu cilre fi la lojban.<br><br=
>On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 4:48:51 PM UTC-8, xorxes wrote:<blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px s=
olid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 8:27 P=
M, Demian Koller &lt;<a href=3D"javascript:" target=3D"_blank" gdf-obfuscat=
ed-mailto=3D"f1-vKPqhLRQJ">d3m...@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
<br>&gt; coi ro do
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; I'm just hoping someone can answer a quick question for me. I'm tr=
ying to
<br>&gt; translate this sentence from Lojban for Beginners: "Right now, I'v=
e been
<br>&gt; working for some time." In Lojban I came up with: "mi ca pu ze'a g=
unka". But
<br>&gt; the answer the book gives is "mi cazize'a gunka", or maybe "mi puz=
ize'a
<br>&gt; gunka". Mine seems to combine both, but would it be considered
<br>&gt; valid/understandable? It seems like tenses can be approached in di=
fferent
<br>&gt; ways. Thanks!
<br>
<br>One approach to capture all the nuances of the English version is as fo=
llows:
<br>
<br>right now: nau ku
<br>have been: ba'o
<br>for some time: ze'a
<br>work-ing: ca'o gunka
<br>
<br>(Right now, (I've been ((work-ing) for some time)))
<br>(nau ku mi (ba'o (ze'a (ca'o gunka)))).
<br>
<br>In Lojban ze'a needs to come before ca'o to get the right scope, but
<br>otherwise it's like the English.
<br>
<br>"ca'o gunka" gets an ongoing work (i.e. a stage when it has already
<br>started and is not yet finished).
<br>"ze'a" gives an extension of "some time" to this ongoing stage.
<br>"ba'o" gets us the stage after this period of ongoing work.
<br>"nau ku" places this in the present.
<br>
<br>The working probably still continues at present, for otherwise it
<br>would not make sense to use "ca'o". which limits "ze'a" to an ongoing,
<br>not yet finished stage.
<br>
<br>mu'o mi'e xorxes
<br></blockquote>

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