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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 23:21:38 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] BAI tag clarification To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.51 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043be016eaa45104d4f28c3a X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 7612 --f46d043be016eaa45104d4f28c3a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The reason I wanted a BAI was that in my English thought, the prepositional phrase was an afterthought, and I wondered if it worked that way in lojban. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:11 PM, Jacob Errington wrote: > .i lai cipnrkorvo cu traji lo ni mi xebni kei loi ro xadykelci'e bende > Why is everyone afraid of simply refactoring the sentence to use traji or > zmadu or mleca as the main selbri? :P > > Otherwise, if you're dying to use a BAI: > .i mi xebni lai cipnrkorvo terai loi ro xadykelci'e bende > > On 4 February 2013 14:37, .arpis. wrote: > >> Let's suppose I want to say "I hate the Ravens, more so than any other >> sports team." (because them winning caused me to lose sleep). >> >> {.i da'i mi troci cu fanva zo'e sa'a mu'i lo du'u lo nu jinga ku rinka lo >> nu mi na'e raumei sipna} >> >> I can say {lo ni mi xebni lai cipnrkorvo cu zmadu tu'a lo drata ke >> xadykelci'e girzu} or {lai cipnrkorvo lo drata ke xadykelci'e girzu ku >> zmadu lo ni mi xebni ce'u} >> >> Does {mi xebni lai cipnrkorvo se mau tu'a lo drata ke xadykelci'e girzu} >> mean (more or less) the same thing? 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The reason I wanted a BAI was that in my English thought, = the prepositional phrase was an afterthought, and I wondered if it worked t= hat way in lojban.


On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:11 PM, Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com&= gt; wrote:
.i lai cipnrkorvo cu traji lo ni mi xebni kei loi ro xadykelci'e bende<= div>Why is everyone afraid of simply refactoring the sentence to use traji = or zmadu or mleca as the main selbri? :P

Otherwise= , if you're dying to use a BAI:
.i mi xebni lai cipnrkorvo terai loi ro xadykelci'e bende

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On 4 February 2013 14:37, = .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:
Let's suppose I want to say "I hate the Ra= vens, more so than any other sports team." (because them winning cause= d me to lose sleep).

{.i da'i mi troci cu fanva zo'e sa'a mu'i lo du&#= 39;u lo nu jinga ku rinka lo nu mi na'e raumei sipna}

I can say {lo ni mi xebni lai cipnrkorvo cu zmadu tu'a lo dra= ta ke xadykelci'e girzu} or {lai cipnrkorvo lo drata ke xadykelci'e= girzu ku zmadu lo ni mi xebni ce'u}

Does {mi xebni lai ci= pnrkorvo se mau tu'a lo drata ke xadykelci'e girzu} mean (more or l= ess) the same thing? If not, how does it differ?

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