Received: from mail-bk0-f55.google.com ([209.85.214.55]:54793) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UBNPB-0007Bn-2M; Fri, 01 Mar 2013 02:41:45 -0800 Received: by mail-bk0-f55.google.com with SMTP id w5sf940644bku.20 for ; Fri, 01 Mar 2013 02:41:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf:date:from :to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=AuLhd8rbOKF4UJAbI3gdSTf+Ih6C7HWLEN3+ETCuJ3E=; b=LFYXRwpZ9mWpmLUBbsV3W0k/akh5uLym7wavXwjotYCTUhTe1S9jFXI87L3NRVY4M7 ncDqvl41swhXKbBfAMAto/jfPF+bnKZ12aycVpTE4+DKuWRws4YAkPLWYs3aLlgNautn 48lurGiQNuKSYNUa9Y+56fFFM8NujjxjGcVGC0HExa8EZXSYH37fVQc5WRRiJo6KyLJe AYsTaqyFK66uIcwYc2UfyUTG3XIqpJhyJIrYFQLgdn5dy+HJd3o73IzZRUitNMzNBSqt SuufoCvtO1YOjegVOz37ENWL+E4EqGUDq4wWOQZF8mNZbU8y85KVU7Rrt67yRulILOnQ UAGA== X-Received: by 10.180.100.230 with SMTP id fb6mr179686wib.8.1362134484866; Fri, 01 Mar 2013 02:41:24 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.93.232 with SMTP id cx8ls81762wib.38.canary; Fri, 01 Mar 2013 02:41:23 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.14.0.196 with SMTP id 44mr9680452eeb.4.1362134483393; Fri, 01 Mar 2013 02:41:23 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.14.0.196 with SMTP id 44mr9680451eeb.4.1362134483381; Fri, 01 Mar 2013 02:41:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from dd17822.kasserver.com (dd17822.kasserver.com. [85.13.138.119]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 47si2881179eeh.1.2013.03.01.02.41.23 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 01 Mar 2013 02:41:23 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 85.13.138.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of me@v4hn.de) client-ip=85.13.138.119; Received: from samsa (brln-4dbadaaa.pool.mediaWays.net [77.186.218.170]) by dd17822.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C1B71865047 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2013 11:41:22 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 11:41:22 +0100 From: v4hn To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] On "by standard x" Message-ID: <20130301104122.GF2801@samsa.fritz.box> References: <20130121164434.GB4839@samsa.fritz.box> <20130228232043.GE2801@samsa.fritz.box> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="dMyqICaxQaaUjrCL" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: me@v4hn.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 85.13.138.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of me@v4hn.de) smtp.mail=me@v4hn.de Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 1171 --dMyqICaxQaaUjrCL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:00:28PM -0500, MorphemeAddict wrote: > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 6:20 PM, v4hn wrote: > > I really hope this does not depend on any particular gismu, > > because all these places are phrased the very same. > > Therefore, I would like to have one accepted interpretation of them. >=20 > The standard can be any kind of standard, which can be utterly trivial, > like "by the standard of me". "Standard of judgment" is just one example > that makes sense in the context of {fenki}. >=20 That interpretation is highly ambiguous. "by the standard of me" is polysem= ous w.r.t. judgment and comparison. That's the reason why I would like to know what it means to put a material object/individual into this place. v4hn --dMyqICaxQaaUjrCL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlEwhdIACgkQMBKLZs4+wjwvAACgsZk7VjuhHQ/vzFkns/VdNy53 gbEAnjKw6GmmWUKlu353WbJVqx3lAVZ1 =dZeW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --dMyqICaxQaaUjrCL--