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On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 4:52 PM, <libifrid@gmail.com> wrote:

> When I see a sentence like "mi zdani", why shold I understand it as "this
> house is mine" instead of "i'm a house"? I mean, I know  it doesn't make
> sense, but I understood this language should be understood even by
> computers, and this means that it does not require thinking or knoledge
> (like the knowledge that that meaning doesn't make sense) for understaning
> sentences.
>
> I'm looking forwards to your answer!
>

How did you come to the conclusion that "mi zdani" means "this house is
mine"?

x1 is a nest/house/lair/den/[home] of/for x2

"mi" is in the x1 place, and the x2 place is empty, so "I am a home".

Now I wonder how to say "this home is mine". "ti du lo mi zdani" is 'this
is my home'. Would it start with "lo vi zdani ..."?

stevo

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When I see a sentence like &quot;mi zdani&quot;, why shold I understand it =
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should be understood even by computers, and this means that it does not req=
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<br></div><div>I&#39;m looking forwards to your answer!</div></blockquote><=
div><br></div><div>How did you come to the conclusion that &quot;mi zdani&q=
uot; means &quot;this house is mine&quot;?=A0</div><div><br></div><div>x1 i=
s a nest/house/lair/den/[home] of/for x2</div>

<div><br></div><div>&quot;mi&quot; is in the x1 place, and the x2 place is =
empty, so &quot;I am a home&quot;.=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Now I wonder=
 how to say &quot;this home is mine&quot;. &quot;ti du lo mi zdani&quot; is=
 &#39;this is my home&#39;. Would it start with &quot;lo vi zdani ...&quot;=
?</div>

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