Received: from mail-ob0-f183.google.com ([209.85.214.183]:60713) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1ULDUc-0005Tr-3Q; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 07:08:31 -0700 Received: by mail-ob0-f183.google.com with SMTP id un3sf3137306obb.0 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 07:07:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:date:from:to :message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ROZeCKAu/4potD0MlMWEUM+ak8W9RG8t5ZcEiHENPHI=; b=uBoOLGzV2xCEcIZazfNhPb2URZkf0jp23rDtbGEbQ+nbcJIXmha+oXHq+8g/q3jq/S LlEQ0GP6k+knQcrc78F7LzW0pOR20DUeEnFW+jMTtLLFzZjVavtc7mn84vtyvmp/IuM/ 1+q1CnVjNbX/bsyvhYC14x6YNcFFqqbKn5uNmkC8eMJERSbuwUJnWHCUqit+BEBJuVQp UnRQpy+1xHo1F7/dgLS++DrgTPn+z+YOLPuyEI3wX7+EEkrcCRvdO+ApIFsqIJ4Xui2t rK+Y6ggR+Iu7TNVKG+WpvGJTfwdjT0ytssvG4K8waxalQTerTa5pwFtik2kodyyS0LL3 JLmw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:date:from:to :message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ROZeCKAu/4potD0MlMWEUM+ak8W9RG8t5ZcEiHENPHI=; b=opM/D2f08aI3p9xn5dQXQ9lmFXBU/punx9ITfGfrPWqFpXjV9XB5EJASDPFyqJvVSZ AipCOdDtN9Yk06MH8A0mq9zD8lmgkkQK6BsgrkjgpsPtBquSceyHyGv9xHwsiUp15l77 p1Ra/H4LXHsHsP58OiyEd6ezy4X+EGLad2HQxlj5Wc7GEV3ugLb3nA7lsbJVBWDcc+ay cDWb92wbawRR1k3SZIKOZeCSIbz/7sdE+WulH9CWg86yIeM7EYmAGItxp+lvur6EHhKT B9CFwIWtjjuh15GfivCqps7/+6IDVu4pse7qugaCHdsneq6JDGTCixFtP8/vGlMcvevI 22lA== X-Received: by 10.49.72.225 with SMTP id g1mr1240858qev.36.1364479663833; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 07:07:43 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.35.73 with SMTP id f9ls3778116qej.27.gmail; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 07:07:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.219.146 with SMTP id hu18mr14145080qab.3.1364479663224; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 07:07:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.223.133 with SMTP id ik5msqab; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 01:19:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.49.61.234 with SMTP id t10mr1231447qer.16.1364458760059; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 01:19:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 01:19:19 -0700 (PDT) From: libifrid@gmail.com To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20130327212515.GB6592@samsa.fritz.box> References: <20130327212515.GB6592@samsa.fritz.box> Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] A question about the sentences understanding in Lojban MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: libifrid@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1338_14541442.1364458759166" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 4877 ------=_Part_1338_14541442.1364458759166 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable *!First, I thank all of you very much for your quick answers * =D7=91=D7=AA=D7=90=D7=A8=D7=99=D7=9A =D7=99=D7=95=D7=9D =D7=A8=D7=91=D7=99= =D7=A2=D7=99, 27 =D7=91=D7=9E=D7=A8=D7=A5 2013 23:25:15 UTC+2, =D7=9E=D7=90= =D7=AA v4hn: > > On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 01:52:26PM -0700, libi...@gmail.com = wrote:=20 > > When I see a sentence like "mi zdani", why shold I understand it as=20 > "this=20 > > house is mine" instead of "i'm a house"?=20 > > You should not and if you do, you misunderstood it.=20 > > "mi zdani" -> I'm a home. (probably for lots of bacteria for example)=20 > > > I mean, I know it doesn't make=20 > > sense, but I understood this language should be understood even by=20 > > computers, and this means that it does not require thinking or knoledge= =20 > > (like the knowledge that that meaning doesn't make sense) for=20 > understaning=20 > > sentences.=20 > > That conclusion is not entirely true. _Understanding_ regular lojban of= =20 > people=20 > talking to each other is probably not that much easier than understanding= =20 > english.=20 > However, at least lojban is not as ambiguous, so you don't have to deal= =20 > with=20 > the problem of parsing the sentence before trying to understand it. (I=20 > mean,=20 > people don't know what "understanding" really means)=20 > > > v4hn=20 > * * *So, you mean that the only advantage of Lojban is that you don't need to= =20 parse the sentences, but the meaning is indeed ambigous. This does not look= =20 so big advantage. Isn't it? or did I miss some another advantages of Lojban= ? * =20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den= . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. ------=_Part_1338_14541442.1364458759166 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable !First, I thank all of you very much for your quick answers

= =D7=91=D7=AA=D7=90=D7=A8=D7=99=D7=9A =D7=99=D7=95=D7=9D =D7=A8=D7=91=D7=99= =D7=A2=D7=99, 27 =D7=91=D7=9E=D7=A8=D7=A5 2013 23:25:15 UTC+2, =D7=9E=D7=90= =D7=AA v4hn:
On Wed, Mar 27, 20= 13 at 01:52:26PM -0700, libi...@gmail.com wrote:
> When I = see a sentence like "mi zdani", why shold I understand it as "this
>= house is mine" instead of "i'm a house"?

You should not and if yo= u do, you misunderstood it.

"mi zdani" -> I'm a home. (probably= for lots of bacteria for example)

> I mean, I know  it do= esn't make
> sense, but I understood this language should be underst= ood even by
> computers, and this means that it does not require thi= nking or knoledge
> (like the knowledge that that meaning doesn't ma= ke sense) for understaning
> sentences.

That conclusion is = not entirely true. _Understanding_ regular lojban of people
talking to = each other is probably not that much easier than understanding english. However, at least lojban is not as ambiguous, so you don't have to deal wi= th
the problem of parsing the sentence before trying to understand it. = (I mean,
people don't know what "understanding" really means)

=
v4hn

So, you mean that = the only advantage of Lojban is that you don't need to parse the sentences,= but the meaning is indeed ambigous. This does not look so big advantage. I= sn't it? or did I miss some another advantages of Lojban?
 

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