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Lojban place structures are defined and fixed in position (with the SE=20
cmavo swapping places in a fully defined way). They can be found here<http:=
//www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/gismu.txt>.=20
You can usually guess place structures fairly accurately, even as a=20
beginner, though some knowledge of the general patterns improves things. A=
=20
simple example is that almost all living things have a place structure of=
=20
=93x1 is an A of species/breed x2=94, where A is the thing (dog, apple, tre=
e,=20
germ &c). vidru (virus) has an extra place, =93[...]capable of infecting (a=
t)=20
x3=94, which you would probably have to know somehow.

{gerku} =3D =93x1 is a dog/canine/[bitch] of species/breed x2=94
{lo gerku} =3D =93a dog=94

{se gerku} =3D =93x1 is the species/breed of dog/canine/[bitch] x2=94 (NB: =
the=20
placings of x1 and x2 in this are important. In {fa ko'a se gerku}, ko'a is=
=20
a breed, not a dog.)
{lo se gerku} =3D =93a breed of dog=94

On Thursday, March 28, 2013 7:22:04 PM UTC, libi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> Thank you! I think I catch it!
>
> I was mistaken because I didn't pay attention to the order of the=20
> components in the sentece.
>
> But now I need to say that I still didn't understand the correct order of=
=20
> the words:
> Is there any rule that determines what each placement (x1, x2, etc.)=20
> means, or maybe it should be learned for each word, or maybe there is no=
=20
> any accurate rule but understanding is done in anoter way (for example:=
=20
> according to the context), so that maybe there exist some different=20
> meanings to the same placement in different sentencs?
>
> By the way, I was in a doubt wheather or not to ask this question in a ne=
w=20
> post...
>
> Thank you for the help!!
>

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Lojban place structures are defined and fixed in position (with the SE cmav=
o swapping places in a fully defined way). They can be found&nbsp;<a href=
=3D"http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/gismu.txt">here</a>. You c=
an usually guess place structures fairly accurately, even as a beginner, th=
ough some knowledge of the general patterns improves things. A simple examp=
le is that almost all living things have a place structure of =93x1 is an A=
 of species/breed x2=94, where A is the thing (dog, apple, tree, germ &amp;=
c). vidru (virus) has an extra place, =93[...]capable of infecting (at) x3=
=94, which you would probably have to know somehow.<div><br></div><div>{ger=
ku} =3D =93x1 is a dog/canine/[bitch] of species/breed x2=94</div><div>{lo =
gerku} =3D =93a dog=94</div><div><br></div><div>{se gerku} =3D =93x1 is the=
 species/breed of dog/canine/[bitch] x2=94 (NB: the placings of x1 and x2 i=
n this are important. In {fa ko'a se gerku}, ko'a is a breed, not a dog.)</=
div><div>{lo se gerku} =3D =93a breed of dog=94<br><br>On Thursday, March 2=
8, 2013 7:22:04 PM UTC, libi...@gmail.com wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;pa=
dding-left: 1ex;"><br><br>Thank you! I think I catch it!<br><div><div><br><=
/div><div>I was mistaken because I didn't pay attention to the order of the=
 components in the sentece.<br></div><div><br></div><div>But now I need to =
say that I still didn't understand the correct order of the words:</div><di=
v>Is there any rule that determines what each placement (x1, x2, etc.) mean=
s, or maybe it should be learned for each word, or maybe there is no any ac=
curate rule but understanding is done in anoter way (for example: according=
 to the context), so that maybe there exist some different meanings to the =
same placement in different sentencs?</div><div><br></div><div>By the way, =
I was in a doubt wheather or not to ask this question in a new post...</div=
><div><br></div><div>Thank you for the help!!</div></div></blockquote></div=
>

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