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No, because YouTube isn't a television broadcast. That's video delivered via internet, not via radio waves. > > mi'e la .junpen. mu'o > > 2013/03/06 12:03 "Jonathan Jones" : > >> No. It's the television. >> >> lo tivni - television broadcaster (i.e., the radio tower sending out the signal- also the station (Such as KQRV, which here broadcasts FOX programming) >> lo se tivni - television programming (ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, etc.- also individual shows, ads, etc.) >> lo te tivni - television channel (FOX is on channel 12 here) >> lo te tivni - television receiver (i.e., the thing which receives the broadcast and decodes it into audio and visual information. Typically a TV, but there are other things that can also do this) >> >> {la'oi.KQRV. tivni la'oi.FOX. li pare lo vidni to poi vica'u me mi toi} >> "KQRV broadcasts FOX on channel 12 to the monitor (which is close in front of me)." >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 7:06 PM, junpen wrote: >>> >>> coi >>> >>> I'm not good at English, and I'd like to ask the meaning of "television receiver" that is the translation of "lo ve tivni". Can this mean "television watcher"? >>> >>> .i xu zoi zoi television receiver zoi ka'e se smuni lo du'u prenu gi'e catlu lo se tivni kei .e nai lo du'u cabra fi lo catlu be lo se tivni >>> >>> mi'e la .junpen. mu'o >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Mar 5, 2013 9:03 PM, "Junpe OKAU" <nergdnila@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> je'e ki'e .ui sai
>
> So, can you say {la'o zoi YouTube zoi cu tivni la'o zoi Lojban= Promotional Video zoi la'o zoi LogicalLanguageGroup zoi lo skami}?

No, because YouTube isn't a television broadcast. That's video d= elivered via internet, not via radio waves.

>
> mi'e la .junpen. mu'o
>
> 2013/03/06 12:03 "Jonathan Jones" <eyeonus@gmail.com>:
>
>> No. It's the television.
>>
>> lo tivni - television broadcaster (i.e., the radio tower sending o= ut the signal- also the station (Such as KQRV, which here broadcasts FOX pr= ogramming)
>> lo se tivni - television programming (ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, etc.- al= so individual shows, ads, etc.)
>> lo te tivni - television channel (FOX is on channel 12 here)
>> lo te tivni - television receiver (i.e., the thing which receives = the broadcast and decodes it into audio and visual information. Typically a= TV, but there are other things that can also do this)
>>
>> {la'oi.KQRV. tivni la'oi.FOX. li pare lo vidni to poi vica= 'u me mi toi}
>> "KQRV broadcasts FOX on channel 12 to the monitor (which is c= lose in front of me)."
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 7:06 PM, junpen <nergdnila@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> =A0coi
>>>
>>> I'm not good at English, and I'd like to ask the meani= ng of "television receiver" that is the translation of "lo v= e tivni". Can this mean "television watcher"?
>>>
>>> .i xu zoi zoi television receiver zoi ka'e se smuni lo du&= #39;u prenu gi'e catlu lo se tivni kei .e nai lo du'u cabra fi lo c= atlu be lo se tivni
>>>
>>> mi'e la .junpen. mu'o
>>>
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>>
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>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>
>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu d= o zo'o
>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
>>
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