Received: from mail-lb0-f186.google.com ([209.85.217.186]:58200)
	by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128)
	(Exim 4.76)
	(envelope-from <lojban-beginners+bncBDUNF3UDXIJBBRPZ3OEQKGQEJTOP5XI@googlegroups.com>)
	id 1UD9cV-0008St-B5; Wed, 06 Mar 2013 00:22:51 -0800
Received: by mail-lb0-f186.google.com with SMTP id n8sf3024479lbj.3
        for <multiple recipients>; Wed, 06 Mar 2013 00:22:31 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
        d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806;
        h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:date:from:to:subject
         :message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition
         :in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender
         :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list
         :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender
         :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe;
        bh=/qJ3u667gwgGtfmmuSYotwxwBOB0c6hBaQiN1eqLs1E=;
        b=Wl1FarNyhjuzLrD2XGifP0lgRb9NDC2hPqiTLkCweCrjuseUqap7phxlxCbwdtQfda
         1G9SGuutzH/6G1AVMmWqtvQvpTb0TivDuJNcufRsw5FT/en+0KHLhD9KpR6ND9q9thb9
         A/7iYM6nzyHlF6QRhg6GbyzXQSfmGP36JnO1oCiRyy6U5XgUdkaNg/lObs9c333Gv9Ox
         W/quclUJ2437ftN1K2eIJ7G8z784Xgye+DsJi2MKKjsGojwxK8TtOmDulr/0VpRhFxh7
         5973Jv1ijtEBCFpyx6CMOe3ATNc46hnNoonZ6XqisGjhHsakeYXMeghR5fTtzvMXYeq/
         w4Pg==
X-Received: by 10.180.75.82 with SMTP id a18mr1708111wiw.16.1362558151205;
        Wed, 06 Mar 2013 00:22:31 -0800 (PST)
X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com
Received: by 10.180.72.165 with SMTP id e5ls117148wiv.18.canary; Wed, 06 Mar
 2013 00:22:29 -0800 (PST)
X-Received: by 10.14.211.1 with SMTP id v1mr29223206eeo.0.1362558149420;
        Wed, 06 Mar 2013 00:22:29 -0800 (PST)
Received: from dd17822.kasserver.com (dd17822.kasserver.com. [85.13.138.119])
        by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 47si7939851eeh.1.2013.03.06.00.22.29
        (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128);
        Wed, 06 Mar 2013 00:22:29 -0800 (PST)
Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 85.13.138.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of me@v4hn.de) client-ip=85.13.138.119;
Received: from samsa (brln-4d0cd220.pool.mediaWays.net [77.12.210.32])
	by dd17822.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id BA460865083
	for <lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com>; Wed,  6 Mar 2013 09:22:28 +0100 (CET)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 09:22:28 +0100
From: v4hn <me@v4hn.de>
To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] lo ve tivni
Message-ID: <20130306082228.GH28629@samsa.fritz.box>
References: <26109c69-7826-4420-9b39-18b7bb0d35fa@googlegroups.com>
 <CAMKwHj3QTqPiiduz3dU3NZebutY+HO48jG5wme390OW861WexA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAEc=QUHQSMyL=zaLTH3EFTUHATn=PhqsFaYc5O-aP_siv2wKSw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMKwHj3LC+C32ggheynMGegxMhv2ee9z61p+CahDi_k+sQUYqw@mail.gmail.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1;
	protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="EemXnrF2ob+xzFeB"
Content-Disposition: inline
In-Reply-To: <CAMKwHj3LC+C32ggheynMGegxMhv2ee9z61p+CahDi_k+sQUYqw@mail.gmail.com>
User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15)
X-Original-Sender: me@v4hn.de
X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com;       spf=neutral
 (google.com: 85.13.138.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess
 record for domain of me@v4hn.de) smtp.mail=me@v4hn.de
Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com
Precedence: list
Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com
List-ID: <lojban-beginners.googlegroups.com>
X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892
List-Post: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/post?hl=en_US>, <mailto:lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com>
List-Help: <http://groups.google.com/support/?hl=en_US>, <mailto:lojban-beginners+help@googlegroups.com>
List-Archive: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en_US>
Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com
List-Subscribe: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/subscribe?hl=en_US>,
 <mailto:lojban-beginners+subscribe@googlegroups.com>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/subscribe?hl=en_US>,
 <mailto:googlegroups-manage+300742228892+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com>
X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/)
X-Spam_score: 0.1
X-Spam_score_int: 1
X-Spam_bar: /
X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "stodi.digitalkingdom.org", has
 identified this incoming email as possible spam.  The original message
 has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label
 similar future email.  If you have any questions, see
 the administrator of that system for details.
 
 Content preview:  On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 09:57:35PM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote:
    > On Mar 5, 2013 9:03 PM, "Junpe OKAU" <nergdnila@gmail.com> wrote: > > >
    > je'e ki'e .ui sai > > > > So, can you say {la'o zoi YouTube zoi cu tivni
    la'o zoi Lojban > Promotional Video zoi la'o zoi LogicalLanguageGroup zoi
    lo skami}? > > No, because YouTube isn't a television broadcast. That's video
    delivered > via internet, not via radio waves. > [...] 
 
 Content analysis details:   (0.1 points, 5.0 required)
 
  pts rule name              description
 ---- ---------------------- --------------------------------------------------
 -0.0 SPF_PASS               SPF: sender matches SPF record
  0.1 DKIM_SIGNED            Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid
  0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID         DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid
Content-Length: 1083


--EemXnrF2ob+xzFeB
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Disposition: inline
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 09:57:35PM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> On Mar 5, 2013 9:03 PM, "Junpe OKAU" <nergdnila@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > je'e ki'e .ui sai
> >
> > So, can you say {la'o zoi YouTube zoi cu tivni la'o zoi Lojban
> Promotional Video zoi la'o zoi LogicalLanguageGroup zoi lo skami}?
>=20
> No, because YouTube isn't a television broadcast. That's video delivered
> via internet, not via radio waves.
>=20

I suppose there is a "in medium" place in {tevni} for a reason.
Though YouTube violates some assumtions about broadcasting, like
sending a fixed program, I would still count it as {tevni} with
{lo kibro} in the {fi} place.


mi'e la .van. mu'o

--EemXnrF2ob+xzFeB
Content-Type: application/pgp-signature

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux)

iEYEARECAAYFAlE2/MQACgkQMBKLZs4+wjxWFwCfbbsXMD4IKhtaLiVL1xVpZrQG
VT0An1mYpdDv6cUV75HvIItjCa/kZW92
=60nZ
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

--EemXnrF2ob+xzFeB--