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On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>wrote:

>
> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What you don't seem to understand is that tivni /can't/ mean anything
>> /except/ that, because Lojban words have /one/ meaning, or to put it
>> another way, they can only equate to /one/ sense of an English word.
>
>
>     But the question is what that "one thing" is.  Just like a tirxu can
> be a leopard or tiger or jaguar "tivni" doesn't necessarily imply
> transmission by radio waves.  What it does seem to imply is a broadcasting
> of a (presumably visual) piece of information through some type of
> transmission type to some sort of way of receiving that information.  There
> is no mention of radio frequency, signal modultion (Which does not exist in
> digital tv, etc).  That stuff is left to the x5 piece.  Cable television,
> for example, would fit that bill, where there is no radio frequency
> transmissions from the time it leaves the cable company.  Logie Baird's
> electromechanical televisions would also fit that bill,  and I see no
> reason why youtube transmissions would not, either.
>

Except that tivni doesn't have an x5 place. If it did, I would agree with
you completely. As it is, though, it seems obvious to me that the crafters
of tivni (and cradi, which has the same structure), did mean specifically
OTA communication. I suppose this means that the current meaning is
outdated and should be updated to allow for other means of transmission.


>   (But I do agree with you that it would not be the general spread of
> information, which would be under benji.  Benji is a superset of tivni and
> cradi)
>
>            --gejyspa
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Michael Turnians=
ky <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mturniansky@gmail.com" target=3D=
"_blank">mturniansky@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"im"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, M=
ar 6, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Jonathan Jones <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:eyeonus@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wr=
ote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
What you don&#39;t seem to understand is that tivni /can&#39;t/ mean anythi=
ng /except/ that, because Lojban words have /one/ meaning, or to put it ano=
ther way, they can only equate to /one/ sense of an English word.</blockquo=
te>

</div><br></div>=A0 =A0 But the question is what that &quot;one thing&quot;=
 is. =A0Just like a tirxu can be a leopard or tiger or jaguar &quot;tivni&q=
uot; doesn&#39;t necessarily imply transmission by radio waves. =A0What it =
does seem to imply is a broadcasting of a (presumably visual) piece of info=
rmation through some type of transmission type to some sort of way of recei=
ving that information. =A0There is no mention of radio frequency, signal mo=
dultion (Which does not exist in digital tv, etc). =A0That stuff is left to=
 the x5 piece. =A0Cable television, for example, would fit that bill, where=
 there is no radio frequency transmissions from the time it leaves the cabl=
e company. =A0Logie Baird&#39;s electromechanical televisions would also fi=
t that bill, =A0and I see no reason why youtube transmissions would not, ei=
ther.=A0</div>
</blockquote><div><br>Except that tivni doesn&#39;t have an x5 place. If it=
 did, I would agree with you completely. As it is, though, it seems obvious=
 to me that the crafters of tivni (and cradi, which has the same structure)=
, did mean specifically OTA communication. I suppose this means that the cu=
rrent meaning is outdated and should be updated to allow for other means of=
 transmission.<br>
=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;borde=
r-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>
</div><div>=A0 (But I do agree with you that it would not be the general sp=
read of information, which would be under benji. =A0Benji is a superset of =
tivni and cradi)</div><div><br></div><div>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa<=
/div><div>
<br></div></div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">

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