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Le dimanche 7 avril 2013 16:10:25 UTC+9, la gleki a =E9crit :
>
>
>
> On Sunday, April 7, 2013 10:49:03 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 12:32 AM, la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, April 7, 2013 1:29:55 AM UTC+4, guskant wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Le dimanche 7 avril 2013 06:12:29 UTC+9, LordDraqo a =E9crit :
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you try "fi la lojban ku tavla"?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I don't need to try it, but {fi la lojban ku tavla} means "talk about=
=20
>>>> Lojban". I meant {fiku} with no sumti should be x3, and a terbri next =
to it=20
>>>> should be x4, but jbofi'e doesn't parse it as I expected.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I was wondering about that in past as well. I can't find that thread no=
w=20
>>> but the funny thing is that=20
>>> {fizo'e la lojban tavla} does what you need.
>>>
>>
>> so does
>>
>> {fo la.lojban. tavla}
>>
>> and
>>
>> {la.lojban. ve tavla}
>>
>
> I guess guskant is searching for stylistic diversity which is indeed=20
> present here.
> Like
> in {fizo'e la lojban tavla} {la lojban} is tavla4.
> But in {fizo'e tavla la lojban} {la lojban} is now tavla2 !!!
>
> BTW, here is the old thread=20
> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/lojban/ZBpL4xoUwgQ/discussion
>

ki'e gleki for the info. My problem is however a bit different from yours.

From your problem, I see jbofi'e forgets the places assigned by FA when a=
=20
selbri appears, and after the selbri, the default place structure is=20
applied. I would like to say it bothers mi'a who are not familiar with=20
European languages and should be a bug, but my actual point is something=20
other.

According to jbofi'e, {fi ku la lojban tavla} means "Lojban is talker."
Even if {fi ku} doesn't mean /anything/, it is not a valid reason for=20
ignoring the usual rule "that after a FA-tagged sumti, any sumti following=
=20
it occupy the places numerically succeeding it, subject to the proviso that=
=20
an already-filled place is skipped" described in CLL9.3.
Even {fi zi'o la lojban tavla} is parsed as "talk in Lojban" that I=20
expected. Why not {fi ku}?


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<br><br>Le dimanche 7 avril 2013 16:10:25 UTC+9, la gleki a =E9crit&nbsp;:<=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;bord=
er-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><br><br>On Sunday, April 7, 201=
3 10:49:03 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=
><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 12=
:32 AM, la gleki <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a>gleki.is...@gmail.com</a>&gt;</sp=
an> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>On Sunday, April 7, =
2013 1:29:55 AM UTC+4, guskant wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddin=
g-left:1ex">
Le dimanche 7 avril 2013 06:12:29 UTC+9, LordDraqo a =E9crit&nbsp;:<blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px=
 solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Did you try "fi =
la lojban ku tavla"?</div>
<div><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I don't need to try it, but=
 {fi la lojban ku tavla} means "talk about Lojban". I meant {fiku} with no =
sumti should be x3, and a terbri next to it should be x4, but jbofi'e doesn=
't parse it as I expected.</div>
</blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>I was wondering about that in past a=
s well. I can't find that thread now but the funny thing is that&nbsp;</div=
><div>{fizo'e la lojban tavla} does what you need.</div></blockquote>
<div><br><div><div><div>so does<br><br></div>{fo la.lojban. tavla}<br><br><=
/div>and<br><br></div>{la.lojban. ve tavla}<br></div></div></div></div></bl=
ockquote><div><br></div><div>I guess guskant is searching for stylistic div=
ersity which is indeed present here.</div><div>Like</div><div>in {fizo'e la=
 lojban tavla} {la lojban} is tavla4.</div><div>But in {fizo'e tavla la loj=
ban} {la lojban} is now tavla2 !!!</div><div><br></div><div>BTW, here is th=
e old thread&nbsp;<a href=3D"https://groups.google.com/d/topic/lojban/ZBpL4=
xoUwgQ/discussion" target=3D"_blank">https://groups.google.<wbr>com/d/topic=
/lojban/<wbr>ZBpL4xoUwgQ/discussion</a></div><div></div></blockquote><div><=
br></div>ki'e gleki for the info. My problem is however a bit different fro=
m yours.<br><br>From your problem, I see jbofi'e forgets the places assigne=
d by FA when a selbri appears, and after the selbri, the default place stru=
cture is applied. I would like to say it bothers mi'a who are not familiar =
with European languages and should be a bug, but my actual point is somethi=
ng other.<br><br>According to jbofi'e, {fi ku la lojban tavla} means "Lojba=
n is talker."<br>Even if {fi ku} doesn't mean /anything/, it is not a valid=
 reason for ignoring the usual rule "that after a FA-tagged sumti, any sumt=
i following it occupy the places numerically succeeding it, subject to the =
proviso that an already-filled place is skipped" described in CLL9.3.<br>Ev=
en {fi zi'o la lojban tavla} is parsed as "talk in Lojban" that I expected.=
 Why not {fi ku}?<br><br><br>

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