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Le dimanche 7 avril 2013 20:02:14 UTC+9, la gleki a =E9crit :
>
>
>
> On Sunday, April 7, 2013 2:21:48 PM UTC+4, guskant wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Le dimanche 7 avril 2013 16:10:25 UTC+9, la gleki a =E9crit :
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 7, 2013 10:49:03 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 12:32 AM, la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com>wrote=
:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, April 7, 2013 1:29:55 AM UTC+4, guskant wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Le dimanche 7 avril 2013 06:12:29 UTC+9, LordDraqo a =E9crit :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did you try "fi la lojban ku tavla"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't need to try it, but {fi la lojban ku tavla} means "talk abou=
t=20
>>>>>> Lojban". I meant {fiku} with no sumti should be x3, and a terbri nex=
t to it=20
>>>>>> should be x4, but jbofi'e doesn't parse it as I expected.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I was wondering about that in past as well. I can't find that thread=
=20
>>>>> now but the funny thing is that=20
>>>>> {fizo'e la lojban tavla} does what you need.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> so does
>>>>
>>>> {fo la.lojban. tavla}
>>>>
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>> {la.lojban. ve tavla}
>>>>
>>>
>>> I guess guskant is searching for stylistic diversity which is indeed=20
>>> present here.
>>> Like
>>> in {fizo'e la lojban tavla} {la lojban} is tavla4.
>>> But in {fizo'e tavla la lojban} {la lojban} is now tavla2 !!!
>>>
>>> BTW, here is the old thread=20
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/lojban/ZBpL4xoUwgQ/discussion
>>>
>>
>> ki'e gleki for the info. My problem is however a bit different from your=
s.
>>
>> From your problem, I see jbofi'e forgets the places assigned by FA when =
a=20
>> selbri appears, and after the selbri, the default place structure is=20
>> applied. I would like to say it bothers mi'a who are not familiar with=
=20
>> European languages
>
>
> wait how is it connected with european languages??? And how are other=20
> languages compared to european ones supposed to work?
>
>>
>>
Not specific to European languages, but some languages in which the=20
order of terms and verbs defines the meaning of a sentence. mi'a happily=20
speak FA-tagged sumti with free order before selbri, and when the selbri=20
lets the parser forget the FA-assignment and forces the next term to be x2=
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ignoring CLL9.3, mi'a might be discouraged.

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<br><br>Le dimanche 7 avril 2013 20:02:14 UTC+9, la gleki a =E9crit&nbsp;:<=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;bord=
er-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><br><br>On Sunday, April 7, 201=
3 2:21:48 PM UTC+4, guskant wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=
><br><br>Le dimanche 7 avril 2013 16:10:25 UTC+9, la gleki a =E9crit&nbsp;:=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;borde=
r-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br><br>On Sunday, April 7, 2013 10=
:49:03 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma=
rgin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 12:32 AM=
, la gleki <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a>gleki.is...@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wr=
ote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>On Sunday, April 7, =
2013 1:29:55 AM UTC+4, guskant wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddin=
g-left:1ex">
Le dimanche 7 avril 2013 06:12:29 UTC+9, LordDraqo a =E9crit&nbsp;:<blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px=
 solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Did you try "fi =
la lojban ku tavla"?</div>
<div><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I don't need to try it, but=
 {fi la lojban ku tavla} means "talk about Lojban". I meant {fiku} with no =
sumti should be x3, and a terbri next to it should be x4, but jbofi'e doesn=
't parse it as I expected.</div>
</blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>I was wondering about that in past a=
s well. I can't find that thread now but the funny thing is that&nbsp;</div=
><div>{fizo'e la lojban tavla} does what you need.</div></blockquote>
<div><br><div><div><div>so does<br><br></div>{fo la.lojban. tavla}<br><br><=
/div>and<br><br></div>{la.lojban. ve tavla}<br></div></div></div></div></bl=
ockquote><div><br></div><div>I guess guskant is searching for stylistic div=
ersity which is indeed present here.</div><div>Like</div><div>in {fizo'e la=
 lojban tavla} {la lojban} is tavla4.</div><div>But in {fizo'e tavla la loj=
ban} {la lojban} is now tavla2 !!!</div><div><br></div><div>BTW, here is th=
e old thread&nbsp;<a href=3D"https://groups.google.com/d/topic/lojban/ZBpL4=
xoUwgQ/discussion" target=3D"_blank">https://groups.google.<wbr>com/d/topic=
/lojban/<wbr>ZBpL4xoUwgQ/discussion</a></div><div></div></blockquote><div><=
br></div>ki'e gleki for the info. My problem is however a bit different fro=
m yours.<br><br>From your problem, I see jbofi'e forgets the places assigne=
d by FA when a selbri appears, and after the selbri, the default place stru=
cture is applied. I would like to say it bothers mi'a who are not familiar =
with European languages</blockquote><div><br></div><div>wait how is it conn=
ected with european languages??? And how are other languages compared to eu=
ropean ones supposed to work?<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1=
ex"><br></blockquote></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Not specific to Europ=
ean languages, but some languages in which the order&nbsp;of terms and verb=
s defines the meaning of a sentence. mi'a happily speak FA-tagged sumti wit=
h free order before selbri, and when the selbri lets the parser forget the =
FA-assignment and forces the next term to be x2 ignoring CLL9.3, mi'a might=
&nbsp;be discouraged.<br></div>

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