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On Sat, 27 Apr 2013 22:31:13 -0700 (PDT)
la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

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>=20
> On Saturday, April 27, 2013 10:36:12 PM UTC+4, daeldir . wrote:
> >
> > coi
> >
> > I'm a french currently learning lojban, with the english ressources (I'=
m=20
> > following the google wave lessons, reading (not actively) the CLL, and=
=20
> > using memrise for vocabulary). As I am reading a lot of english anyway,=
 it=20
> > is not a big deal for me.=20
> >
> > But I have friends interested in the lojban, but not good enough in=20
> > english to learn a new language from it.=20
> >
> > I'm willing to translate some of the ressources for them. And so, I hav=
e=20
> > many questions:
> >
> >  - Is there already ressources that I missed (thinking about courses) a=
nd=20
> > can point to them?
> >  - Is there already unfinished translations that I can help with?
> >  - Are there french speaking people good enough in lojban that can revi=
ew=20
> > my translations if I work on it? The idea being, they may not have time=
 or=20
> > will to do the translation, but can read what I have done and catch som=
e=20
> > errors that I make (as I am myself learning), which may be less time=20
> > consumming.
> >
> > Also, if you have advices for my task (should I translate directly on t=
he=20
> > wiki, can I, and how, help to translate the dictionnary=85), they are w=
elcome.
> >
>=20
>=20
> I'm not a Francophone (they are coming! watch out this thread) but I woul=
d=20
> like to know if you are also going to translate gismu and cmavo definitio=
ns?
> In this case I'll prepare spreadsheet files for you so that we can easily=
=20
> import them back into our database (jbovlaste).

I may translate gismu and cmavo as I translate the lessons, and as my frien=
ds need words (I asked them if they were willing to note the words they nee=
d. They can read the english definitions, that are simple, but that would g=
ive me a starting point). Although I was considering using the web forms, t=
hat do not seem practical. But my computer is very weak and I have a small =
screen, and so, spreadsheets are not practical either. And I don't know if =
I'm ready and have time to translate gismu in batch=85

> As for The Reference Grammar I hope others will reply to you but I also=
=20
> recommend start translating Wave lessons because they are much shorter th=
an=20
> the Full Grammar book.
>=20
>=20

I was considering translating lessons first, yes. I was wondering if I shou=
ld translate =93Lojban For Beginners=94 or the wave lessons, but everybody =
is talking about the wave lessons, and nobody mentions =93Lojban For Beginn=
ers=94. I begin to think it is the way to go (and it's also more practical =
for me, as these are the lessons that I use, and as they are on the wiki). =
I mentionned the reference grammar because I'm reading them in parallel (bu=
t just reading them, while I try to *understand* the wave lessons, thus the=
 =93not actively=94 for the CLL).=20

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