Received: from mail-ia0-f183.google.com ([209.85.210.183]:52333) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UXp51-0007Hi-Kx; Thu, 02 May 2013 01:41:35 -0700 Received: by mail-ia0-f183.google.com with SMTP id y26sf111634iab.20 for ; Thu, 02 May 2013 01:41:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:to:subject :mime-version:date:from:in-reply-to:references:message-id:x-sender :user-agent:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ncSZdGKX+n39TsM1NzmjNcO2sE4HO/XO89LFMoSbuQc=; b=HPiOigKDBJxH2u1L+VXZIF99CyfpjhDS0+rcnYO+EGHMM7XISpa+q0lbWT5fcAJLsw QxH71dEbkKt1HRogfxS3odNqaO4Mmr19OE+j2RcDDWzkRI6XkfW4H11O68/vtCpH4Bi+ fFUjhO4qB0JKOqe5N/QFWmal361h8vA5BaAu0CpILB8D721lurE1/YI7eoFlT/fXpITe JDMytL20UGhXgL6ZuWa4ZcyOl+5Em1jBdv9+aElh+eRqHRIAca5HQeqdwYSRm68GiU0C xIVCYVPEgOlrvq2SgnFFYLuJrgejDChhKFsgGEwq84dm6aq9QMZNNWZBY/Bv7qwQIdAa u46g== X-Received: by 10.50.41.67 with SMTP id d3mr765779igl.4.1367484084636; Thu, 02 May 2013 01:41:24 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.151.135 with SMTP id uq7ls2343565igb.24.canary; Thu, 02 May 2013 01:41:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.65.69 with SMTP id v5mr13466862igs.1.1367484080792; Thu, 02 May 2013 01:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www6.webmail.pair.com (www6.webmail.pair.com. [66.39.3.84]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id eg2si478069igb.2.2013.05.02.01.41.20 for ; Thu, 02 May 2013 01:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 66.39.3.84 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of m3o@plasmatix.com) client-ip=66.39.3.84; Received: (qmail 69358 invoked by uid 65534); 2 May 2013 08:41:20 -0000 To: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] FA KU MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 02 May 2013 10:41:20 +0200 From: selpa'i In-Reply-To: <42e563c6-6ff4-48c8-9817-3c55e6a7925f@googlegroups.com> References: <1cc969db-afa1-40bd-b542-6ad94fec1e4c@googlegroups.com> <1c1f7857-1358-4b9b-953c-84480ab97559@googlegroups.com> <42e563c6-6ff4-48c8-9817-3c55e6a7925f@googlegroups.com> Message-ID: X-Sender: m3o@plasmatix.com User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.8.1 X-Original-Sender: m3o@plasmatix.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 66.39.3.84 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of m3o@plasmatix.com) smtp.mail=m3o@plasmatix.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 1304 I'm entirely with guskant on this one. On 07.04.2013 13:00, guskant wrote: > OK, from yacc point of view, I agree with you. From a semantic point > of view, however, FA KU should be an implicit expression of some > possible sumti. In fact, for other sumtcita like BAI or tense, the > usage of sumtcita means a vague expression (CLL9.9). Both modal-tense > and FA are mod_head_490 of yacc. They should have the same semantic > rule. I agree. More than a year ago I suggested that {fi ku la .lojban. cu tavla} be the same as {fo la .lojban. cu tavla}. Why? Because FA are sumtcita/TAG, and the rule for TAG is this: TAG broda == TAG ku broda == TAG zo'e broda (semantically, not grammatically) Mentioning a FA but not filling it is much like filling it with zo'e explicitly, why else would you say {fi ku} in the first place? mu'o mi'e la selpa'i -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.