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 Content preview:  On 29.05.2013 14:32, Michael Turniansky wrote: > I can't even
    figure out why this parses. "mi pe ca" seems to be > missing a sumti. (And,
    okay, I see, by looking at the formal grammar, > that GOI are followed by
    a term, and "term" includes tag(+KU), which > includes "ca", but I guess
   my question is "why can GOI be followed by > any term, and not solely by a
    sumti? What does it even mean, exactly? > Exactly for the type of example
    you have here? "lo gerku ne ri'u cu > blabi" ("The dog, which is on the right,
    is white"?) Although that > makes things like like "la maik goi fa'a cu damva'u"
    parseable but > unfathomable (I mean, okay, there at least an aleph-null
   amount of > utterances that are parseable as well as unfathomable, but this
    just > seems to be fundamentally weird, although it does allow tags on >
   non-brivla-based sumti (KOhA, ZO+valsi, LA+cmevla, etc), which > wouldn't
   otherwise be possible. [...] 
 
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On 29.05.2013 14:32, Michael Turniansky wrote:
> =A0 I can't even figure out why this parses. =A0"mi pe ca" seems to be
> missing a sumti. (And, okay, I see, by looking at the formal grammar,
> that GOI are followed by a term, and "term" includes tag(+KU), which
> includes "ca", but I guess my question is "why can GOI be followed by
> any term, and not solely by a sumti? What does it even mean, exactly?
> Exactly for the type of example you have here? "lo gerku ne ri'u cu
> blabi" ("The dog, which is on the right, is white"?) Although that
> makes things like like "la maik goi fa'a cu damva'u" parseable but
> unfathomable (I mean, okay, there at least an aleph-null amount of
> utterances that are parseable as well as unfathomable, but this just
> seems to be fundamentally weird, although it does allow tags on
> non-brivla-based sumti (KOhA, ZO+valsi, LA+cmevla, etc), which
> wouldn't otherwise be possible.

Exactly.

I interpret {pe BAI SUMTI} as {poi BAI SUMTI cu co'e}, or more=20
generally:
{pe TERM} as {poi TERM co'e}.

> Gee, I've come around 180 degrees from my first impression. =A0I
> guess it IS a pretty good thing. =A0Wish it had been mentioned in the
> CLL,=A0though, which I don't see.

Could you add this to the CLL-errata section on the tiki, please?
(unless it *is* mentioned in the CLL, it really should be, but a quick
search didn't turn up anything)

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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