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>
> tanru are frequently adequate, but I think we pretty much all agree that 
> they aren't a "solution", they're a way of getting things across when it's 
> obvious what you mean.
>

But the semantics of tanru fits the task very well. Seltau selects a 
subclass in a broad class of relations that can be expressed by tertau. And 
that is just what we need. The only drawback is that it is undefined, which 
subclass is selected. :D
 

> As the "respect as a leader" example shows, there are often several 
> obvious things that you might mean by a tanru.
>

ko'e gidva se sinma ko'a

What one would think it can mean, besides the intended meaning? In a 
typical situation the listener already knows that {ko'e gidva}.
 
>
> That {tai lo'e nu} construct is interesting, but it seems to be more like 
> a selbri relative clause (which is what I proposed on IRC) than a tag 
> construct. ({tai} in general is like this, which is why I've never 
> particularly liked it.)
>

{tai} is just a shorthand. We can expand it further:

lo nu mi nelci do ku fasnu gi'e simsa lo'e nu zu'i nelci lo pendo be ri kei 
lo ka tarmi ce'u

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v>tanru
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obvious what you mean.<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>But=20
the semantics of tanru fits the task very well. Seltau selects a subclass=
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in a broad class of relations that can be expressed by tertau. And that is =
just what we need. The only drawback is that it is undefined, which subclas=
s is selected. :D<br></div>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-lef=
t: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">As the "respect a=
s a leader" example shows, there
 are often several obvious things that you might mean by a tanru.</div></di=
v></div></blockquote><div><br>ko'e gidva se sinma ko'a<br><br>What one woul=
d think it can mean, besides the intended meaning? In a typical situation t=
he listener already knows that {ko'e gidva}.<br>&nbsp;<blockquote class=3D"=
gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc so=
lid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><d=
iv>That {tai lo'e nu} construct is interesting, but it seems
 to be more like a selbri relative clause (which is what I proposed on=20
IRC) than a tag construct. ({tai} in general is like this, which is why=20
I've never particularly liked it.)</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div=
><br>{tai} is just a shorthand. We can expand it further:<br><br>lo nu mi n=
elci do ku fasnu gi'e simsa lo'e nu zu'i nelci lo pendo be ri kei lo ka tar=
mi ce'u</div></div>

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