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On Saturday, June 1, 2013 4:53:28 AM UTC+4, Pierre Abbat wrote:
>
> On Friday, May 31, 2013 22:11:33 Daeldir wrote:=20
> > Also, about the =93r=94 (I have a long story with the =93r=94 ;-)), it =
points to=20
> an=20
> > alveolar tap. I thought it was an alveolar trill! My mistake (if it is=
=20
> one)=20
> > comes from [
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojban#Phonology_and_orthography],=20
> > I guess, where an alveolar trill is given for the =93r=94. And it had=
=20
> something=20
> > to do with the spanish =93r=94, too, but I don't remember where I did r=
ead=20
> > that, and anyway, on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R], we can see that=
=20
> both=20
> > sound are used in spanish (so, it was not precise, but not false to do=
=20
> that=20
> > kind of comparison). Well, I would like to know what is the =93best=94 =
sound=20
> > (as the two are correct, thank to lojban laxism about sounds=20
> > differentiation). First, to point it as an example, second, to correct=
=20
> any=20
> > =93prefered way=94 that I could have put in the french translation (as =
the=20
> > french =93r=94 is really different from both sounds, I spent some time =
on=20
> it).=20
>
> Both the tap and the trill are valid "r" sounds, and are allophones in=20
> Lojban=20
> (unlike Spanish, where they are two different phonemes between vowels). M=
y=20
> pronunciation rule is something like this: a trill at the beginning or en=
d=20
> of=20
> a word, a tap between vowels, a trill before a consonant, a tap after a=
=20
> consonant, and as in English "mercy" between two consonants.=20


What? Is English alveolar/retroflex approximant not allowed?=20


>
> Pierre=20
> --=20
> li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa=20
>
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<br><br>On Saturday, June 1, 2013 4:53:28 AM UTC+4, Pierre Abbat wrote:<blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-=
left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">On Friday, May 31, 2013 22:11:33 D=
aeldir wrote:
<br>&gt; Also, about the =93r=94 (I have a long story with the =93r=94 ;-))=
, it points to an
<br>&gt; alveolar tap. I thought it was an alveolar trill! My mistake (if i=
t is one)
<br>&gt; comes from [<a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojban#Phonolo=
gy_and_orthography" target=3D"_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/<wbr>Loj=
ban#Phonology_and_<wbr>orthography</a>],
<br>&gt; I guess, where an alveolar trill is given for the =93r=94. And it =
had something
<br>&gt; to do with the spanish =93r=94, too, but I don't remember where I =
did read
<br>&gt; that, and anyway, on [<a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R" t=
arget=3D"_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/<wbr>R</a>], we can see that =
both
<br>&gt; sound are used in spanish (so, it was not precise, but not false t=
o do that
<br>&gt; kind of comparison). Well, I would like to know what is the =93bes=
t=94 sound
<br>&gt; (as the two are correct, thank to lojban laxism about sounds
<br>&gt; differentiation). First, to point it as an example, second, to cor=
rect any
<br>&gt; =93prefered way=94 that I could have put in the french translation=
 (as the
<br>&gt; french =93r=94 is really different from both sounds, I spent some =
time on it).
<br>
<br>Both the tap and the trill are valid "r" sounds, and are allophones in =
Lojban=20
<br>(unlike Spanish, where they are two different phonemes between vowels).=
 My=20
<br>pronunciation rule is something like this: a trill at the beginning or =
end of=20
<br>a word, a tap between vowels, a trill before a consonant, a tap after a=
=20
<br>consonant, and as in English "mercy" between two consonants. </blockquo=
te><div><br></div><div>What? Is English alveolar/retroflex approximant not =
allowed?&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: =
1ex;">
<br>
<br>Pierre
<br>--=20
<br>li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa
<br>
<br></blockquote>

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