Received: from mail-gg0-f185.google.com ([209.85.161.185]:63412) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UZwh4-0005Zt-T0; Tue, 07 May 2013 22:13:39 -0700 Received: by mail-gg0-f185.google.com with SMTP id v5sf360772ggn.22 for ; Tue, 07 May 2013 22:13:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:mime-version :x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=1QX/62XjLQoLc6AtgihtgtRdq64ukANoz1QCuby3vy0=; b=gtMIDEZo7g/kd05LD3Zq/ve9IbBXunJxMUKoAIhDErdJhJ15Z7IDH3CnYr6SIZ4VQ9 FXrhThqY/hlg0cGHRQLQS+P4uCwVKNgiJjC1HJ5HlKbbOcQjdL5j3PcxpO4PM/kGnv3K hRkGx8QU9n4lFn8x9rhb2tDA1sFSBcvNbWY/7HaXDE+yNjfL5pNgs12FECIJQSVw9q1B JGy+Aek0sHGDgrTCaEn7jQqzjFuemsnCNd0okpq8BBTWY2TpAkOAdJ4IxcgDxYRvrfDR 6BCeRFFQePSbzx+h5HSOBTqCej7hI5lZWAy7aML7NltZeXep+EFfLp1sVcB/pvCgyXkx MTJg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:mime-version :x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=1QX/62XjLQoLc6AtgihtgtRdq64ukANoz1QCuby3vy0=; b=Te2gNIvVkZNp4sdiqJAgscLwH9Py/5+Y5DHyEywrsTyxOSyCYcuQ7VHLYEF2FCsmVL xkgYeprlEmDyoQRNvWSNyj36AAF29hXQ0eC+sj1cUHYcRhwUueAqLH9HPeb8KXcLhxKL eSyn91Hg5Mwl099+rf8icPdlHwPsOEQc584Mlcp4Gujc5BYYnO+H14ajVboB/9cxwqj4 OK9vQKfQubv6Vjne6wJM8Ji7TIzBL8DZJkvpVkOwMchjbpD7M0NqWh5lWOXSIqMbU8tB 6UGCGOSBQsK8j9A1h+eWR1tLr0timH/V1xz0oedgmT37NLOGCDcbDjZCCDKCO2SrpcLo swqQ== X-Received: by 10.50.33.175 with SMTP id s15mr1933149igi.8.1367990008399; Tue, 07 May 2013 22:13:28 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.97.73 with SMTP id dy9ls2817060igb.10.canary; Tue, 07 May 2013 22:13:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.183.164 with SMTP id en4mr16752606igc.2.1367990006567; Tue, 07 May 2013 22:13:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ie0-x232.google.com (mail-ie0-x232.google.com [2607:f8b0:4001:c03::232]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f8si21456igh.0.2013.05.07.22.13.26 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 07 May 2013 22:13:26 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c03::232 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4001:c03::232; Received: by mail-ie0-f178.google.com with SMTP id b11so2378397iee.23 for ; Tue, 07 May 2013 22:13:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.8.65 with SMTP id p1mr1875165iga.19.1367990006470; Tue, 07 May 2013 22:13:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.102.74 with HTTP; Tue, 7 May 2013 22:13:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3753338.r5Jc2uzsB3@caracal> References: <3753338.r5Jc2uzsB3@caracal> Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 01:13:26 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Looking for a definition From: Ian Johnson To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c03::232 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0129449a64603a04dc2dfe41 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 3329 --089e0129449a64603a04dc2dfe41 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 12:49 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > Btw, "fi'i" is "welcome" in the sense of "Welcome to my humble abode". > "Thank > you" is "ki'e do", which is answered with "je'e". > > Pierre This is an old topic, and I figure I should insert my thoughts on it. To me {fi'i} is not acknowledgment of thanks by itself, but can be an expression of hospitality, which becomes "you are welcome to receive more help" in contexts like this one. Consequently a common response from me to a student saying {ki'e} is {je'e fi'i ui}, if I actually want to say that they should feel free to ask for more help (which of course I do). mi'e la latro'a -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --089e0129449a64603a04dc2dfe41 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 12:49 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezit= opo.org> wrote:
Btw, "fi'i" is "welcome" in the sense of = "Welcome to my humble abode". "Thank
you" is "ki'e do", which is answered with "je'e= ".

Pierre
This is an old topic, and I figure I= should insert my thoughts on it. To me {fi'i} is not acknowledgment of= thanks by itself, but can be an expression of hospitality, which becomes &= quot;you are welcome to receive more help" in contexts like this one. = Consequently a common response from me to a student saying {ki'e} is {j= e'e fi'i ui}, if I actually want to say that they should feel free = to ask for more help (which of course I do).

mi= 9;e la latro'a

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