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On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 6:12 PM, v4hn <me@v4hn.de> wrote:

> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 05:49:08PM -0400, Ian Johnson wrote:
> > On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 5:40 PM, v4hn <me@v4hn.de> wrote:
> > > {pa le karci} or {pa karci} (if a number preceeds the bridi you don't
> necessarily
> > > need an article, you can think about this as {pa lo karci}) can be used
> > > for that, an inner quantifier is not needed here.
> >
> > {pa karce} is rather unlikely to mean what you want. In particular it
> does
> > *NOT* mean the same as {pa lo karce}. Instead it actually means exactly
> > what {pa lo karce} meant before xorlo was implemented, that is "there
> > exists exactly one car such that ..."
>
> Agreed, I never use that and got confused when reading
>
> lo with an outer quantifier, which is exactly the same thing
> as just sticking a number before an item (i.e. "mu lo bakni" == "mu bakni"
> == "five cows), works pretty much as before: "five things that really are
> cows".
>
> at http://www.lojban.org/tiki/How+to+use+xorlo . Someone might want to
> rephrase that.
>
>
> mi'e la .van. mu'o
>
Oh wow, that's not good at all, that's completely inconsistent with the
formal definition in the proposal proper...

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On M=
on, May 20, 2013 at 6:12 PM, v4hn <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:m=
e@v4hn.de" target=3D"_blank">me@v4hn.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc sol=
id;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"im">On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 05:49:08PM -0400, Ian Johnson wro=
te:<br>
&gt; On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 5:40 PM, v4hn &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:me@v4hn.de=
">me@v4hn.de</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; {pa le karci} or {pa karci} (if a number preceeds the bridi you d=
on&#39;t necessarily<br>
&gt; &gt; need an article, you can think about this as {pa lo karci}) can b=
e used<br>
&gt; &gt; for that, an inner quantifier is not needed here.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; {pa karce} is rather unlikely to mean what you want. In particular it =
does<br>
&gt; *NOT* mean the same as {pa lo karce}. Instead it actually means exactl=
y<br>
&gt; what {pa lo karce} meant before xorlo was implemented, that is &quot;t=
here<br>
&gt; exists exactly one car such that ...&quot;<br>
<br>
</div>Agreed, I never use that and got confused when reading<br>
<br>
lo with an outer quantifier, which is exactly the same thing<br>
as just sticking a number before an item (i.e. &quot;mu lo bakni&quot; =3D=
=3D &quot;mu bakni&quot;<br>
=3D=3D &quot;five cows), works pretty much as before: &quot;five things tha=
t really are cows&quot;.<br>
<br>
at <a href=3D"http://www.lojban.org/tiki/How+to+use+xorlo" target=3D"_blank=
">http://www.lojban.org/tiki/How+to+use+xorlo</a> . Someone might want to r=
ephrase that.<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
mi&#39;e la .van. mu&#39;o<br></div></div></blockquote><div>Oh wow, that&#3=
9;s not good at all, that&#39;s completely inconsistent with the formal def=
inition in the proposal proper...<br><br>mi&#39;e la latro&#39;a mu&#39;o <=
br>
</div></div><br></div></div>

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