Received: from mail-ie0-f190.google.com ([209.85.223.190]:40452) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Uen2Y-00038S-1e; Tue, 21 May 2013 06:55:55 -0700 Received: by mail-ie0-f190.google.com with SMTP id k5sf230035iea.27 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 06:55:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:to:subject:mime-version:date:from:in-reply-to :references:message-id:x-sender:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=8JkxYW9HqzQR7NHxM5BoZnTsbjzBAvenhsv8y/mDCWU=; b=aDd0UiujlcH8jv9wFGuyeZTtOf+veygBCQAnUg5wLzNf2wUtTNLI6UR+VUYYW4gR+x BiployHlythvNqfGXLflZVyAuEbtuOUtHmLQQELBg7VrspLCLoXNAYgeUzjzQroy/dSY 9ub7LCiAhRWkEQ0/HgKsqAWeznPEoTVkHSp9iK8F5H0VFxLfAGakBuPNR+xMPNmINQU0 r5SFfnBRYwQKKecvgtACAx6T90PM7xPPKTIuaRrU3Ta5ccunUpZ284PqHUsfq5QT/Hhr Fbgwq1sNZ9b0Mf3hJhaW7lekr6EUGXyx+h5IOR3ZcLQAqYVH7tgw17lXDR2LwJaDEu2K ohTw== X-Received: by 10.50.101.39 with SMTP id fd7mr245814igb.16.1369144539125; Tue, 21 May 2013 06:55:39 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.12.106 with SMTP id x10ls508453igb.2.gmail; Tue, 21 May 2013 06:55:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.42.47.140 with SMTP id o12mr2129845icf.32.1369144538385; Tue, 21 May 2013 06:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www6.webmail.pair.com (www6.webmail.pair.com. [66.39.3.84]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id b5si310387igx.3.2013.05.21.06.55.38 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 06:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 66.39.3.84 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of m3o@plasmatix.com) client-ip=66.39.3.84; Received: (qmail 80216 invoked by uid 65534); 21 May 2013 13:55:37 -0000 To: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] questions about lojban MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 15:55:37 +0200 From: selpa'i In-Reply-To: <519B59B4.8020404@lojban.org> References: <20130520214048.GA3114@samsa.fritz.box> <20130520221213.GB3114@samsa.fritz.box> <519B59B4.8020404@lojban.org> Message-ID: X-Sender: m3o@plasmatix.com User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.8.1 X-Original-Sender: m3o@plasmatix.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 66.39.3.84 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of m3o@plasmatix.com) smtp.mail=m3o@plasmatix.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 1620 On 21.05.2013 13:25, Robert LeChevalier wrote: > selpa'i wrote: >> That's exactly the part that got changed in December 2011, when the >> sentence "When an outer quantifier is used without an inner >> quantifier, >> ''lo'' can be omitted." was removed. This means that "PA broda = PA >> lo >> broda" *was* part of the original BPFK-approved proposal from '04. >> (the >> recent change wasn't followed by another round of voting of course) > > Who had the authority to make such a change? xorxes made that change after being asked to do so. I think PC was complaining. > If it isn't voted on, the change is not official, and as you can see, > people won't understand what you mean. That is WHY it is supposed to > be hard to make changes, and why they are supposed to be strictly > controlled. Of course, but there is no institution left to vote on such things right now, is there? Here is a relevant thread from right after the change was made: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/lojban/XutjWBUhPMY Please continue this discussion on the main list, if interested. It's not suited to the beginners' list in my opinion. mu'o mi'e la selpa'i -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.