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On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 03:02:54PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 2:32 PM, stormi <chevalieradam2@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Lojban resembles functional programming more than object oriented
> > > programming. The predicate is central, and that is a function.
> >
> > I disagree, it resembles objected oriented programming rather strongly.
> > Namely in that the first place is almost always the "do-er."
> > [...]
>=20
> brivla are not objects, they are functions. The fact that the first
> argument of the function typically comes before the function call itself,
> as in the case of {mi klama}, is irrelevant.
>=20
> {mi klama lo zarci lo zdani lo dargu lo karce} is not "mi.klama( lo zarci=
 ,
> lo zdani , lo dargu , lo karce )", it is "klama( mi , lo zarci , lo zdani=
 ,
> lo dargu , lo karce )".

It is neither and you're "argument", that is to say you're opinion,
isn't any stronger.

Did I mention that these comparisons pe'i
are all invalid and irrational?


mu'o

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