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Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 22:20:23 +0200
From: Daeldir <daeldir@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] About my name
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On Sun, 2 Jun 2013 15:57:27 -0400
Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2 June 2013 13:51, Daeldir <daeldir@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
> > Daeldir is not my real name (yes, you guessed right :-P). It's an alias=
 I
> > created from nothing when I was young.
> >
> > However, in my head, Daeldir means something. I always associated those
> > sounds with =E2=80=9Cwalk beneath the moon=E2=80=9D, or =E2=80=9Cwalkin=
g in the moonlight=E2=80=9D (google
> > translate gave me that last one ;-)).
> >
> > And I like the idea of having a meaningful name in lojban, like native
> > americans do.
> >
> > So, to train myself in speaking lojban, I tried to translate that meani=
ng
> > in lojban.
> >
> > First, how I would explain this meaning in lojban:
> >
> > {lo nu ma kau cnita lo lunra cu cadzu}
> >  =E2=86=92 =E2=80=9CThe one (I know who) that is under the moon, walk=
=E2=80=9D
> >
> > Using a tanru:
> >
> > {lunra cnita cadzu}
> >  =E2=86=92 walk kind of (under kind of moon)
> >  =E2=86=92 Something that walk, in an =E2=80=9Cunder=E2=80=9D maneer, a=
nd the =E2=80=9Cunder=E2=80=9D as something
> > to do with the moon
> >
> > Which would give the following lujvo:
> >
> > {lurni'adzu}
> >
> > Finally, while my name now has a meaning, I want it to be a name: it me=
ans
> > something, but what it means is not what I am, it's just a label. So, I
> > would turn it into a cmevla:
> >
> > {.lurni'adzus.} or (which I prefer) {.lurni'adz.}
> >
>=20
> Using a cmevla is not necessary. I go by {tsani} in the Lojban community,
> and {tsani} is a gismu. As it is unlikely that {luni'adzu} could ever be
> defined to mean anything other than "walk beneath the moon", I would find
> it to be an acceptable name. Some (older) Lojbanists are of the opinion
> that names that are selbri are only nicknames, but many of the younger
> jbopre, who in many cases are more active than the older members, believe
> that selbri can be used on par with cmevla for true names.
>=20
> That being said, I'd suggest you stick with the lujvo for your name as it
> more directly holds a meaning than {.lurni'acadz.} or other cmevla
> alternatives.
>=20
> .i mi'e la tsani mu'o
>=20

Well, I followed that debate on the lojban mailing list (I'm subscribed, ev=
en if I don't attempt to understand everything, so that I am =E2=80=9Cin th=
e bath=E2=80=9D of the language). And I'd say I'm on the side of older lojb=
anists for this one :-)

While {lurni'acadzu} is kind of a description, it does not describe me =E2=
=80=9Cintemporally=E2=80=9D (in which case we would use {lo}, anyway). It d=
id describe me (maybe) at a time, but is now only used for it's label value=
. I don't take added consonant or missing vowel as an offense to my =E2=80=
=9Cname=E2=80=9D, but more as an =E2=80=9Cofficialization=E2=80=9D of that =
description becoming a name.

It's true that I remove the meaning of the name, but it's easy to find it a=
gain. It's here, it just became less important.

=E2=80=A6 I did not express myself on that point on the lojban list, becaus=
e I'm really new (not using {be} yet, heh!), and I won't take any position =
about that, as the language is not =E2=80=9Cmine=E2=80=9D yet (=E2=80=9Cmin=
e=E2=80=9D in the sense =E2=80=9CI speak it=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9CI'm an actor=
 of it's culture=E2=80=9D, not that I own it in any way ;-)). But, well, as=
 you brought the subject in the beginner list, here is my point of view.

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