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Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 23:43:17 +0200
From: Daeldir <daeldir@gmail.com>
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I'm happy that I asked :-)

This kind of exchange help in learning.

On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 14:53:22 -0400
Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:

> On Sunday, June 02, 2013 19:51:11 Daeldir wrote:
> > The three question I'm wondering about are:
> >=20
> > Is {lo nu ma kau cnita lo lunra cu cadzu} a good =93explanation=94 of t=
he
> > meaning of my name?
>=20
> It parses, but not the way you think.=20

Hopefully, sentences I write parse. I'm helping myself with jbofihe to see =
if my sentences have _at least_ a correct structure.
(jbofihe from here: https://github.com/rc0/jbofihe)

> Events don't walk. I think you mean "lo nu makau cu cnita be lo lunra be'=
o cadzu" or "lo nu makau cadzu ni'a lo lunra".

=93Events don't walk=94=85 I laughed, good catch=A0! :-D

You've been warned that I did not yet read all the lessons, I now confess t=
hat I did not get to {be}, indeed. I read that lesson, now, to understand t=
he correction=85 It's a little abstract, but with time to sink in, it will =
become more obvious for when I read that lesson again.

If I understand correctly, a more or less literal translation of {lo nu mak=
au cu cnita be lo lunra be'o cadzu} would be:

    The event of someone (I know who) that walk in a maneer "under the moon=
".

{cnita be lo lunra be'o cadzu} is a tanru, with {cadzu} modified by {cnita =
be lo lunra be'o}. Thanks to {be}, that last construct is considered like a=
 selbri. So, {mi cnita lo lunra} and {mi cnita be lo lunra (be'o)} are the =
same, but the second makes {cnita be lo lunra (be'o)} able to be used in pl=
ace of a selbri, am I right?

As for {lo nu makau cadzu ni'a lo lunra}, it would be:

    The event of someone (I know who) that walk on under the moon.

That, I could have wrote with what I knew. I tried to use {ni'a}, but =93{c=
adzu}: x1 walks on surface x2=94 throwed me away. I wanted to say =93*I*'m =
under the moon and I walk=94, while I could have said =93That's *under* the=
 moon that I walk=94. Learning Lojban is not only learning how to say somet=
hing, but how to express it differently, too! Or, better said, to search al=
l the way to express that abstract thing that is in one mind, and pick the =
more efficient one.

> > Is {lurni'adzu} a valid lujvo, and is it ok to make a lujvo not for wor=
ds,
> > but to create =93meaningful names=94?
>=20
> It is valid, but to turn it into a cmevla, I'd say "lurni'acadz".
>=20
> Pierre
> --=20
> sei do'anai mi'a djuno puze'e noroi nalselganse srera

As it is a name, I was going for the shortest one (we don't really like lon=
g names, and a lot of people laugh or feel sorry for guys named =93Jean-Jac=
ques-Pierre-Gaston-Emanuel=94 in my circle of relations, and find short nic=
kname for them =96 it is more practical). That's why I used a lujvo instead=
 of a tanru, too (I guess {la .lunras.cnitas.cadzus.} could be a cmevla). B=
ut {lurni'acadz} is not a lot longer, and when we remove the last letter of=
 the lujvo, that version makes it easier to find again the original meaning=
 than {lurni'adz} (=93dz=94? What was that?). I like it!

And about {la .lunras.cnitas.cadzus.}, and what la tsani says about not alw=
ays using a cmevla:

If I want to use that entire tanru with {la}, how do I do=A0? Do I use {la =
lunra cnita cadzu ku}? (Oh, I tried in jbofihe, it says yes=85)

.ki'edo
.i mu'omi'e la .daeldir.lurni'acadz.

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