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On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Daeldir <daeldir@gmail.com> wrote:

> {cnita be lo lunra be'o cadzu} is a tanru, with {cadzu} modified by {cnita
> be lo lunra be'o}. Thanks to {be}, that last construct is considered like a
> selbri. So, {mi cnita lo lunra} and {mi cnita be lo lunra (be'o)} are the
> same, but the second makes {cnita be lo lunra (be'o)} able to be used in
> place of a selbri, am I right?


  Well, yes-and-no.  There is a slightly subtle difference between the two.
 "mi cnita lo lunra" is "I am under the moon" whereas "mi cnita be lo
lunra" is I am an under-the-moon'er.  That is to say, the first says you
area member of the set of those who are under things, and specifically,
it's the moon you are under.  The second says there is a set of things that
are under the moon, and you are one of them.  Is it a distinction without
much difference in the case at hand? Yes.  But as you say, it's important
when you want to be able to use articles(gadri) like "lo", or as part of
tanru.

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On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Daeldir <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:daeldir@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">daeldir@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> =
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">{cnita be lo lunra be&#39;o cadzu} is a tanru, with {cadzu=
} modified by {cnita be lo lunra be&#39;o}. Thanks to {be}, that last const=
ruct is considered like a selbri. So, {mi cnita lo lunra} and {mi cnita be =
lo lunra (be&#39;o)} are the same, but the second makes {cnita be lo lunra =
(be&#39;o)} able to be used in place of a selbri, am I right?</blockquote>
</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div>=A0 Well, yes-and-no. =A0There i=
s a slightly subtle difference between the two. =A0&quot;mi cnita lo lunra&=
quot; is &quot;I am under the moon&quot; whereas &quot;mi cnita be lo lunra=
&quot; is I am an under-the-moon&#39;er. =A0That is to say, the first says =
you area member of the set of those who are under things, and specifically,=
 it&#39;s the moon you are under. =A0The second says there is a set of thin=
gs that are under the moon, and you are one of them. =A0Is it a distinction=
 without much difference in the case at hand? Yes. =A0But as you say, it&#3=
9;s important when you want to be able to use articles(gadri) like &quot;lo=
&quot;, or as part of tanru.</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra" style>=A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa<br><br></div></div>

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