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I repost to beginners' list my question that I put in the lojban list: 
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/1jw3fYM6JNI/tnMsp9n2YvsJ

Is a {sei} bridi in a bridi called an embedded bridi? For example,

1) ko'a ko'e sei nei brode se'u broda
2) ko'a ko'e sei no'a brode se'u broda
In which sentence is {broda} repeated; or none of them? 

On the other hand, I think a {to} sentence in a bridi is neither an 
embedded sentence nor a part of the bridi in this context. For example,
3) ko'a ko'e to nei brode toi broda
4) ko'a ko'e to no'a brode toi broda
in neither 3) nor 4), {broda} is repeated; or am I wrong?

A {sei} bridi is grammatically a free modifier just like a {to} sentence, 
but semantically a metalinguistic bridi, which is somehow similar in 
meaning to {BAI lonu} bridi, which is clearly an embedded bridi, in which 
{no'a} works. I am curious to know if {nei} ji {no'a} in a {sei} bridi 
repeats the main bridi. 

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I repost to beginners' list my question that I put in the lojban&nbsp;list:=
 <br>https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/1jw3fYM6JNI/tnMsp9n2YvsJ<br><br=
>Is a {sei} bridi in a bridi called an embedded bridi? For example,<br><br>=
1) ko'a ko'e sei nei brode se'u broda<br>2) ko'a ko'e sei no'a brode se'u b=
roda<br>In which sentence is {broda} repeated;&nbsp;or none of them? <br><b=
r>On the other hand, I think a {to} sentence in a bridi is neither an embed=
ded sentence nor a part of the bridi in this context. For example,<br>3) ko=
'a ko'e to nei brode toi broda<br>4) ko'a ko'e to no'a brode toi broda<br>i=
n neither 3) nor 4), {broda} is repeated; or am I wrong?<br><br>A {sei} bri=
di is grammatically a free modifier just like a {to} sentence, but semantic=
ally a metalinguistic bridi, which is somehow similar in meaning to {BAI lo=
nu} bridi, which is clearly an embedded bridi, in which {no'a} works. I am =
curious to know if {nei} ji {no'a} in a {sei} bridi repeats the main bridi.=
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