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On Saturday, June 22, 2013 3:10:27 PM UTC+4, Pierre Abbat wrote:
>
> On Friday, June 21, 2013 23:38:31 la arxokuna wrote: 
> > "<round> in the first meaning" acc. to Wiktionary 
> > "Circular or cylindrical; having a circular cross-section in one 
> direction." 
> > 
> > Do we have a word for this? cukla and bolci are too specific. 
>
> I suggest "cukpa'otai" or "xiltai", the second after thinking of the 
> etymology 
> of "round", which is "rotundus" from "rota". 
>


Oh I just found this in the notes to {tarmi}.

x1 [ideal] is the conceptual shape/form of object/abstraction/manifestation 
x2 (object/abstract).
Also pattern; x1 is the mathematical or theoretical ideal form, while x2 is 
an object/event manifesting that form; e.g. circular/circle-shaped (= 
cukseltai) vs. circle (=cuktai, while cukla alone is ambiguous); model (= 
ci'ersaptai, saptai, ci'ersmitai, smitai). See alse nejni, te marji for 
physical shape, tapla, bliku, kubli, kurfa, cukla, mapti, morna, sarlu.


Why don't we have cukseltai and cuktai in jvs? What would it be their place 
structure?



> Do you have any suggestion for "round" in the sense of "round number" 
> (which 
> has two subsenses)? There's nothing circular or wheel-like about the 
> numbers 
> 1700 and 2147483648. 
>
> Pierre 
> -- 
> loi mintu se ckaji danlu cu jmaji 
>
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<br><br>On Saturday, June 22, 2013 3:10:27 PM UTC+4, Pierre Abbat wrote:<bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border=
-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">On Friday, June 21, 2013 23:38:31=
 la arxokuna wrote:
<br>&gt; "&lt;round&gt; in the first meaning" acc. to Wiktionary
<br>&gt; "Circular or cylindrical; having a circular cross-section in one d=
irection."
<br>&gt;=20
<br>&gt; Do we have a word for this? cukla and bolci are too specific.
<br>
<br>I suggest "cukpa'otai" or "xiltai", the second after thinking of the et=
ymology=20
<br>of "round", which is "rotundus" from "rota".
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Oh I just found this in=
 the notes to {tarmi}.</div><div><br></div><div><div>x1 [ideal] is the conc=
eptual shape/form of object/abstraction/manifestation x2 (object/abstract).=
</div><div>Also pattern; x1 is the mathematical or theoretical ideal form, =
while x2 is an object/event manifesting that form; e.g. circular/circle-sha=
ped (=3D cukseltai) vs. circle (=3Dcuktai, while cukla alone is ambiguous);=
 model (=3D ci'ersaptai, saptai, ci'ersmitai, smitai). See alse nejni, te m=
arji for physical shape, tapla, bliku, kubli, kurfa, cukla, mapti, morna, s=
arlu.</div><div><br></div></div><div><br></div><div>Why don't we have cukse=
ltai and cuktai in jvs? What would it be their place structure?</div><div><=
br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: =
0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>Do you have any suggestion for "round" in the sense of "round number" (=
which=20
<br>has two subsenses)? There's nothing circular or wheel-like about the nu=
mbers=20
<br>1700 and 2147483648.
<br>
<br>Pierre
<br>--=20
<br>loi mintu se ckaji danlu cu jmaji
<br>
<br></blockquote>

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