Received: from mail-la0-f60.google.com ([209.85.215.60]:65084) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UtOlv-0003DT-MV; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 14:03:13 -0700 Received: by mail-la0-f60.google.com with SMTP id lx15sf900351lab.25 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 14:02:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=L4X37dpCSBeo0YqsSFL+fsVWpiX+0gM+oC1ZRU/YZAQ=; b=I5ELzbO0EsgThhhyyltTFY16TNDfD43YSMs1eEZlUZqXoJgJVBs12i4UmQObdRRzga agGO4no7NNSO4l498n9qndeNX4E1CaLUIl7SJYVzZrCvlTzMmWV5jNcOren/FGU9VkzI Ae890iU6dZNAOc8qm+kiYA2u8SEliWmWvtVOmusmvesrWNIucQSnDSxe2CEm+C69ODZC LAxCVNhPqPzvaQdQbhFvv8BGNbfh5x9EGBqelgm64k+fRjYK/GolUmFwhkxnl1h5dclP d0mmLQZj2HovSx/LV+j9YY+xU4Nuf8YPZ7BCe9hzt8D49zZT0VY89POFjcEMIwr2WuOX 9MuA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=L4X37dpCSBeo0YqsSFL+fsVWpiX+0gM+oC1ZRU/YZAQ=; b=Sa1fycBtats+DDgtn7xsDS8nTecHfuEloXp7I6PBO7hlhTb5KGNfNxRmepnEHL+uEz le46oTtm8Ippa8z3avXwO9b6QSpPYA4vnZNl/uQTs5LZU2y+NnkpSAxq7uwClTdSJH8+ 8VhW8i+WiI57ktSA1jBVevrjL7OH6YYLRT/9M4yK6Y8qP04UeHJy3723NNoTed1aYuCS VWPcR1dIfWnsXrlE+w/7PU1XyGwa1we2mVcLm5TX/+vgoWjGex2WGHOrVl6xVEJKD1Kx W1SN+So/LXqXcMIv6pihEQ1P7XO8gwM7ajVrbfnwoDYdsD4JFCVdo7r2rWg23HgZevOu uysw== X-Received: by 10.180.10.234 with SMTP id l10mr539135wib.0.1372626171977; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 14:02:51 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.11.174 with SMTP id r14ls598928wib.16.canary; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 14:02:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.37.229 with SMTP id b5mr7884254wik.4.1372626170859; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 14:02:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-we0-x22e.google.com (mail-we0-x22e.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c03::22e]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u3si309785wiy.2.2013.06.30.14.02.50 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 30 Jun 2013 14:02:50 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of cntrational@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c03::22e as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c03::22e; Received: by mail-we0-f174.google.com with SMTP id q58so2671777wes.5 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 14:02:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.194.9.70 with SMTP id x6mr17839618wja.19.1372626170778; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 14:02:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.168.133 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 14:02:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2213721.HzcJNECb43@caracal> References: <2213721.HzcJNECb43@caracal> From: Sid Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 02:32:10 +0530 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Why {ea} is not allowed? 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An= d the Middle English =E2=80=B9ea=E2=80=BA symbolized /=C9=9B=CB=90/. mi'e cntr On 20 June 2013 18:44, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Thursday, June 20, 2013 04:45:34 la arxokuna wrote: > > But why? Is there something difficult to pronounce in it? > > There's nothing hard to pronounce about it, it's just not a diphthong in > Lojban. It used to be a diphthong in English, but has been monophthongize= d. > Probably it would be hard to tell from a long "e" or from "ia" depending = on > how you pronounce it. > > What I find stranger is that "eu" is not a Lojban diphthong. "eu" is fair= ly > common, occurring in Spanish at least of the six. It's a diphthong in > Basque > but not Lojban, which is why "auskalerik" is so spelled. "euskalerik" wou= ld > have an extra syllable. /eu/ does not occur in Russian (Belarusian, but n= ot > Russian, has diphthongs ending in /u/) or English (it turns into /iu/). T= he > other three I don't know. > > Pierre > -- > ve ka'a ro klaji la .romas. se jmaji > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --047d7b5d57ce51999904e0656f83 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =E2=80=B9ea=E2=80=BA in Old English symbolized [=C3=A6=C9=91], not [ea]. An= d the Middle English =E2=80=B9ea=E2=80=BA symbolized /=C9=9B=CB=90/.
mi'e cntr

On 20 June 2013 18:44, Pie= rre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:
On Thursday, June 20, 2013 04:45:34 la = arxokuna wrote:
> But why? Is there something difficult to pronounce in it?

There's nothing hard to pronounce about it, it's just not a d= iphthong in
Lojban. It used to be a diphthong in English, but has been monophthongized.=
Probably it would be hard to tell from a long "e" or from "i= a" depending on
how you pronounce it.

What I find stranger is that "eu" is not a Lojban diphthong. &quo= t;eu" is fairly
common, occurring in Spanish at least of the six. It's a diphthong in B= asque
but not Lojban, which is why "auskalerik" is so spelled. "eu= skalerik" would
have an extra syllable. /eu/ does not occur in Russian (Belarusian, but not=
Russian, has diphthongs ending in /u/) or English (it turns into /iu/). The=
other three I don't know.

Pierre
--
ve ka'a ro klaji la .romas. se jmaji

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