Received: from mail-qe0-f56.google.com ([209.85.128.56]:60628) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UuMqG-0006ze-Pv; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 06:11:34 -0700 Received: by mail-qe0-f56.google.com with SMTP id 5sf23098qeb.11 for ; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 06:11:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=k1tVUc/MNz2eD7y7VBmc+Rxd4AtINZ6486am5GkroNw=; b=CVt8Oz5e5pog3VYleSmqqVTBNQdDx0RMtRWx1SFXv/+qEx2+o2AAwCHtkFL62qJxTB B0DK68Q+6R7QeCyd1XtMww2M/EDcsjadXeNl07dru7s6Q9+FVrsnk/rrE7dC2PR0E93z t3GzoKINJoxM+6F/tl2n1LdlueMGWNjOCE+Xeuq3aEQKPI2yINRFuwTfidciZUNz68wF KYyYx7ylQxZR+DX+fistOGeV1N+ZUC1ujRVgpndJcHdbAmzzCvbTQ5gzhJ0xHIokK2ZA JBNnG0htnOwXPvWxptfY0sWDEsNjqNeX5d1OOVBqzdVJlbUohCRm/XcnLB6ZiXYabbxP vKRQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=k1tVUc/MNz2eD7y7VBmc+Rxd4AtINZ6486am5GkroNw=; b=decnK4lL5w9XKtAXpBxCnyI51OHlbTgnH+Hte+Zuj057IK7OQwgNVkq6P4VYzaAiyP lH72xLUcj4iiec0AZ8XW89CKhQqfIHWVeCwIyrbZg/XbUCcxvk+eQ+tXbVSYj3isfSOq umNWsQ8pZ9MekYgkz4VimY8Y+caoTQju2YBzI96g0lJOEwAxZIaY+k7N+se8lVfdZKRm JKCX8H/+oYB/GNXzNqeABh4upRa4LGpcKw/4W7CFETMZ/jftXTMRPPh+26kJ/DWCBTJs hiij9HuDhtHQdn9/gCqmPbyrpSiiojY3IZicelvt214OlayFvx2asM05sVPdaXmxr+xl i6jA== X-Received: by 10.50.67.74 with SMTP id l10mr33458igt.0.1372857082205; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 06:11:22 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.109.230 with SMTP id hv6ls357753igb.25.gmail; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 06:11:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.134.169 with SMTP id pl9mr18018362igb.0.1372857080790; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 06:11:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-f173.google.com (mail-ob0-f173.google.com [209.85.214.173]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b12si2218060igv.0.2013.07.03.06.11.20 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 03 Jul 2013 06:11:20 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.173 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.173; Received: by mail-ob0-f173.google.com with SMTP id wc20so102521obb.32 for ; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 06:11:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.213.10 with SMTP id no10mr637107obc.76.1372857080627; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 06:11:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.4.165 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 06:11:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 09:11:20 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Question about tense From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.173 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c2deaa9e498a04e09b32f0 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 5196 --001a11c2deaa9e498a04e09b32f0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Well, the way I would interpret that sentence is "I will be having started to run, for a long time" That is to say, I interpret it as mi ba ze'u (pu (co'a bajra)). See for example 10.3.16 That is, I would interpret all tenses as going outward from the selbri. But reasonable people may disagree with me. And so may unreasonable ones. I live it up to you to interpret which category the toltu'i be mi are in. --gejyspa On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 8:42 AM, jongausib wrote: > > What is the proper interpretation of the sentence {mi baze'upu co'a bajra}? > > 1. That the "start running-predicate" takes place through the whole > intervall, which probably means that the start running intervall is a part > of some other unspecified intervall. > > or > > 2. That I start running in the beginning of the intervall {baze'upu}. > > or something else? > > > I couldn't figure this out by reading CLL or BPFK sections, so please help! > > mu'omi'e jongausib > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. 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=A0 Well, the way I would interpret that sentence is "= ;I will be having started to run, for a long time" That is to say, I i= nterpret it as mi ba ze'u (pu (co'a bajra)). =A0 See for example 10= .3.16 =A0That is, I would interpret all tenses as going outward from the se= lbri. =A0But reasonable people may disagree with me. =A0And so may unreason= able ones. =A0I live it up to you to interpret which category the toltu'= ;i be mi =A0are in.

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa



On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 8:42 AM, jongausib <so.cool.ogi@gmail.com= > wrote:

What is the proper interpretation of the= sentence {mi baze'upu co'a bajra}?

1. That the "start = running-predicate" takes place through the whole intervall, which prob= ably means that the start running intervall is a part of some other unspeci= fied intervall.

or

2. That I start running in the beginning of the intervall {ba= ze'upu}.

or something else?


I couldn't figure thi= s out by reading CLL or BPFK sections, so please help!

mu'omi= 9;e jongausib

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