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On Thursday, July 25, 2013 8:28:13 PM UTC+2, selpa'i wrote:
>
> On 25.07.2013 20:02, la .temlat. wrote: 
> > I know I can say things like {mi ponse pa lo karce} but I can't say 
> > {mi ponse pa lo bunre}. 
>
> (bruna) 
>
> Indeed, owning a brother *probably* isn't what you mean. (but owning a 
> brown object is of course possible, e.g. a teddy bear) 
>
> > I know I could say {mi se bruna pa lo prenu (po'o)}, 
>
> You'd want to put the {po'o} after the number: 
>
> {pa po'o prenu} 
> "Only 1 person." 
>
> The {po'o} is mostly emphatic, because {pa} (as an outer quantifier) by 
> itself already means "there exists exactly 1". 
>
> If you mean "only" as in "I feel lack" or as in "It's a small number 
> that I am unhappy about", you could try: {so'u pa ui nai} - "few and one 
> :( "


Maybe offtopic, but I'm not sure {so'u pa} does that. I would understand 
that as "few tens and 1", ie. 11, 21 or 31.

mu'o mi'e ianek
 

> or {pa be'u} - "one and I feel lack about the number". 
>
> > but could I say {mi pamei se bruna}? 
> > {mi ckini pa lo bruna}? 
>
> The most precise, shortest, unadorned way is: 
>
>       (1) mi se bruna pa da      (or: pa da mi bruna) 
>           "There exists exactly one X such that I brother X." 
>           "I have exactly one brother." 
>
> mu'o mi'e la selpa'i 
>

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<br><br>On Thursday, July 25, 2013 8:28:13 PM UTC+2, selpa'i wrote:<blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left=
: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">On 25.07.2013 20:02, la .temlat. wrote=
:
<br>&gt; I know I can say things like {mi ponse pa lo karce} but I can't sa=
y
<br>&gt; {mi ponse pa lo bunre}.
<br>
<br>(bruna)
<br>
<br>Indeed, owning a brother *probably* isn't what you mean. (but owning a=
=20
<br>brown object is of course possible, e.g. a teddy bear)
<br>
<br>&gt; I know I could say {mi se bruna pa lo prenu (po'o)},
<br>
<br>You'd want to put the {po'o} after the number:
<br>
<br>{pa po'o prenu}
<br>"Only 1 person."
<br>
<br>The {po'o} is mostly emphatic, because {pa} (as an outer quantifier) by=
=20
<br>itself already means "there exists exactly 1".
<br>
<br>If you mean "only" as in "I feel lack" or as in "It's a small number=20
<br>that I am unhappy about", you could try: {so'u pa ui nai} - "few and on=
e=20
<br>:( "</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Maybe offtopic, but I'm not sure {=
so'u pa} does that. I would understand that as "few tens and 1", ie. 11, 21=
 or 31.</div><div><br></div><div>mu'o mi'e ianek</div><div>&nbsp;</div><blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-=
left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"> or {pa be'u} - "one and I feel la=
ck about the number".
<br>
<br>&gt; but could I say {mi pamei se bruna}?
<br>&gt; {mi ckini pa lo bruna}?
<br>
<br>The most precise, shortest, unadorned way is:
<br>
<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; (1) mi se bruna pa da &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;(or: pa =
da mi bruna)
<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; "There exists exactly one X such tha=
t I brother X."
<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; "I have exactly one brother."
<br>
<br>mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
<br></blockquote>

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