Received: from mail-qe0-f60.google.com ([209.85.128.60]:58362) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1V5Gzi-00016q-Aa; Fri, 02 Aug 2013 08:10:22 -0700 Received: by mail-qe0-f60.google.com with SMTP id 9sf225533qea.15 for ; Fri, 02 Aug 2013 08:10:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=HlCLkVPW5B2DC68YeQFmhtujVuU0P6k5FK5y4Pt/xHA=; b=T3e7Y4at8cvlyefgd7oMyEeHkuhQzcoQnajt1kgJvwE/zw//THMq/iL/UgW5Pqeauq QiBQEugUf6aKjiNbmqUMpWwklKmddD0pW3ZqNRMtoCwFgc5zTZHXXHN1P1nDDzjmOw5S ksTIsHFtHJ8RTzY3G6xkRXxtL66gAFyf3zdwf92EcPnTFCt5qyIsr1tnSALe4ptIp0Zq CxFHeSwDis7mOCweKzBlsn08dSKeQdimOVamex50b3YYvDuFWXpEaudq7wzMPXVJeOcj zuIbToflxJJMlErGN+gzWSFKYZCdNj75BNhhd6MZ0pz23yZw8RG9qTVkY8vwVSKmUDB9 /C4A== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=HlCLkVPW5B2DC68YeQFmhtujVuU0P6k5FK5y4Pt/xHA=; b=k0W+azeUlMwOpT9dCpQuTFH2AUu+YYSG8+qEvpzYkFR6+Xqf0+augHXNcZW/H6vZYN +NmXJmtbeCmTiMX6sqeTUvkrpDzH3T4tz2CoB1qhYeMORbYarJfBoD2CPzHAXOsyegcu v/tMyaHBbOuaROVjPzesWshfdgITfrhBWlA6tmaSS1B0Dml5BbiuRZS1vMz/gITJcBCU 89fmRdjxbxiJo2CXgqPB050K6Jzv/k6Qh2JpPfHySQVwvH7hnyOnSj0HjKxl5GpJpXgb BHbl0L2Z4vSxoPIEY+bHn7XKSnTuukwCWLi+t29pKXUt30LvQO/3HIxA47KobvGnA39H pILQ== X-Received: by 10.50.124.66 with SMTP id mg2mr141080igb.16.1375456211532; Fri, 02 Aug 2013 08:10:11 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.164.231 with SMTP id yt7ls396876igb.7.canary; Fri, 02 Aug 2013 08:10:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.43.131.196 with SMTP id hr4mr4029535icc.23.1375456210108; Fri, 02 Aug 2013 08:10:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oa0-x232.google.com (mail-oa0-x232.google.com [2607:f8b0:4003:c02::232]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ct6si262049igb.2.2013.08.02.08.10.10 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 02 Aug 2013 08:10:10 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c02::232 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4003:c02::232; Received: by mail-oa0-x232.google.com with SMTP id i4so1605014oah.9 for ; Fri, 02 Aug 2013 08:10:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.60.45.229 with SMTP id q5mr5556243oem.79.1375456209936; Fri, 02 Aug 2013 08:10:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.105.169 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 08:09:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <877ee006-e164-4c6d-929e-4623d4515a4a@googlegroups.com> References: <877ee006-e164-4c6d-929e-4623d4515a4a@googlegroups.com> From: Jacob Errington Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 11:09:49 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] translation assistance To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c02::232 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c21b04cc269904e2f85a6e X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 5941 --001a11c21b04cc269904e2f85a6e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 2 August 2013 10:46, stormi wrote: > I'm trying to do "speak softly, but carry a big stick" > and I've come up with: > {ko mliba'u ku'i bevri lo barda grana} > > If you mean "softly" in the sense of "not loud", then {tolcladu} is more appropriate than {milxe} (which is present in {mliba'u}). (On a related note, {mliba'u} really should be {ba'umli}, as if you were to say the full structure without a tanru, you'd say {milxe lo ni bacru}.) What you're trying to do with {ku'i} is what's called a connective. The problem is that {ku'i} is not a connective; {ku'i} is an indicator. It simply attaches to the previous word to draw our attention to the fact that it is in contrast with something else. Aside from that, it serves to higher grammatical purpose. The connective you would use in this case is {gi'e}, "and", as it connects to bridi-tails. ({mliba'u is on e bridi-tail, and {bevri lo barda grana} is another one. {gi'e} would connect them, applying the common x1 {ko}.) In total, you'd get {ko tolcladu bacru gi'e ku'i bevri lo barda grana}. I hope this cleared things up, .i mi'e la tsani mu'o > I'm unsure of my translation, especially on my use of {ku'i} > > How did I do? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. 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On 2 August 2013 10:46, stormi <chevalieradam2@gma= il.com> wrote:
I'm trying to do "speak softly, but= carry a big stick"
and I've come up with:
{ko mliba= 'u =A0ku'i bevri lo barda grana}


If you mean "softly&qu= ot; in the sense of "not loud", then {tolcladu} is more appropria= te than {milxe} (which is present in {mliba'u}). (On a related note, {m= liba'u} really should be {ba'umli}, as if you were to say the full = structure without a tanru, you'd say {milxe lo ni bacru}.)

What you're trying to do with {ku'i} is what= 9;s called a connective. The problem is that {ku'i} is not a connective= ; {ku'i} is an indicator. It simply attaches to the previous word to dr= aw our attention to the fact that it is in contrast with something else. As= ide from that, it serves to higher grammatical purpose. The connective you = would use in this case is {gi'e}, "and", as it connects to br= idi-tails. ({mliba'u is on e bridi-tail, and {bevri lo barda grana} is = another one. {gi'e} would connect them, applying the common x1 {ko}.)

In total, you'd get {ko tolcladu bacru gi'e ku&= #39;i bevri lo barda grana}.

I hope this cleared t= hings up,
.i mi'e la tsani mu'o
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I'm unsure of my translation, especially on my use of {= ku'i}

How did I do?

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