.u'inai.o'o.i'enaicu'i= .ienaicu'i.o'u.oisairo'e

Your whole missive is com= pletely not in the spirit of the APE.

I mean, you did a whole = huge Logician's analysis on the birdi apparently before even /bothering= / with the rest of the message.

Then instead of answering the questions by giving /_*examples*_/ = like was asked, you give another analysis, and what I would call a Philosop= her's Response to the third question.. Which, by the way, basically kil= ls the likelihood of the /audience/ /participating/, which, seeing as it= 9;s in the acronym, is, you know, kind of the point. (Another point being t= hat it's for Beginner's. The reason it's on the Beginner's = list.)

And t= hen you say you the format of this APE, which by the way is the same the or= iginal set, is better, because chatters use IRC. APEs are not and never wer= e about "chatting". Obviously a chat room (IRC) is for chatting, = while a forum thread (Lojban, Lojban for Beginner's , etc.) is for long= -term discussion. I was asking about the category. The originals were thing= s like "Write a Lojban haiku, Write some Lojban proverbs, Write a Lojb= an greeting that doesn't involve coi/co'o, i.e. translations of thi= ngs like "Good Morning!".

P.S. I don't care if the terms I u= sed to describe sections of your missive are accurate, and I know they aren= 't technical. That's what (most) everything you write looks like to= me, and my opinion is my opinion. Sometimes I agree with you, sometimes I = don't, but that's neither here nor there right now, and if you woul= d like to debate with me my response, I am willing in a new topic on main.<= br>

On Thu, Sep= 19, 2013 at 7:19 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:

=

{ko'a jungau ko'e lo na'e jetnu
=
One person makes something known to another. What they make know= n is not true.

.i ru na'e jungau ra lo jetnu
=A0One person does something having to do with the truth and the other pe= rson, which is not {jungau} but in some sense on the same scale as {jungau}= . This is sufficiently vague that it is difficult to interpret, in my opini= on. The version with {na} is easier to interpret, as it is simply that ko&#= 39;a doesn't make ko'e know the truth, but might or might not make = them know anything.

.i ru bacru noda}
<= /p>
Technically, this could make someone know something, d= epending on the situation. For example, when someone asks a leading questio= n and you don't answer, typically they infer that the "bad" a= nswer is the truth.

"He tells them something other than the truth. He does something other= than tell them the truth. He says nothing."

1: What circumstances can be described by /only one/ of the = first two bridi? (I'd like examples both ways, please.)
2: What circumstances can be described by /both/ of the first two bridi? 3: I think the last bridi is an example answer for 2. Why am I right or wro= ng?
A huge array of things can technically b= e implied by the second bridi with {na'e} present, but because it's= so vague, it is difficult to actually point to a clean example where that&= #39;s how you would want to describe the situation. With {na} present inste= ad, generally (I'm hesitant to say "always") the first bridi = is strictly stronger than the second. The strict example where you have the= second and not the first is when {ko'a jungau ko'e no da}.

I would say the last bridi may or may not involve 2 and even= if it involves 2 it may or may not involve 1. That is, not saying anything= may or may not lead to someone being able to infer information, and if it = does, the information may or may not be true.

Also, if you like this kind of APE, let me know, I'll th= ink of others. I imagine this will be easier than trying to think of new wa= ys to get you to jbociska, like the earlier set was. ;)

I think this is a better format, since I think people that just = want to chat will mostly do it in IRC anyway.
mi'e la latro&#= 39;a mu'o

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