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On 11.11.2013 01:58, Michael Turniansky wrote:
> =A0 =A0 Simple... the compound selbri "sutra je jipci" doesn't HAVE an x2
> place (but it does have both an s2 and j2 place which have to be
> internally linked with be), similar to the way that a lujvo may not
> have all the places that the underlying veljvo seltau jonai tertau
> have. =A0

Okay, now I at least understand what you are saying. I find this=20
problematic, as tanru are by their very nature ad-hoc, and figuring out=20
such eliminated places on the fly is likely impossible (assuming for a=20
second that it's sensible).

If you say it has no x2, then I assume you would say that in:

    mi klama je sutra lo tricu

{lo tricu} actually fills klama3 and it fills neither klama2 nor=20
sutra2. How can this be practically used? In which case it would mean:

    mi klama je sutra lo tricu
    "I go [and-am-fast] from the tree."

Is this not weird?

> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0I don't know why this is a such a problem for you. =A0

Apart from the aforementioned practical problems your idea presents, I=20
think it's also strange for places to disappear from a *tanru*. In my=20
opinion, when you join two things with {je} (in this case the sumti=20
places), then you claim that they both apply, not that the places=20
disappear when nothing can satisfy the claim. It seems somewhat=20
backwards.

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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