Received: from mail-ig0-f187.google.com ([209.85.213.187]:65455) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WB2bP-0005dr-2p for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 05:33:30 -0800 Received: by mail-ig0-f187.google.com with SMTP id c10sf229177igq.4 for ; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 05:33:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=EWIHPo8XClGkYAP1+sRtQ3A81JYJ8msVB/tGsQPBoNA=; b=SdGEt46zcJnd5ewbYRXp5Zdw5qovVfYI4S7jqXGIixQ7P54soOtyuvn4qWxgiHPkun Pa+7/P0S0BWrXvmosWs5N0uzOou8S3vB96m/miDosIjd1VSBFKCszigtDKT97wE0hNJs KR0q0WUTPCsvk5/dvlsqNdZCEU6A7CISUxrg4q3I6R9XBbrMeiTjQmglkqA3SjYz1sQs LR5ePy3UGnUIWwnsqKwnaKDyHafuaWSqYIBBm1H1cFj7/3NicrVwn2IxALFvQ+P2cE0E NuWvJKC6giQa4L4+rjsSZUc2bhXH6SekoTaLNC6H8/ZHe7adUQ7z3iMS3KqOzTNx2Vqi U5eg== X-Received: by 10.140.25.242 with SMTP id 105mr30165qgt.8.1391607192895; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 05:33:12 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.85.35 with SMTP id m32ls96177qgd.81.gmail; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 05:33:11 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.58.39.202 with SMTP id r10mr605865vek.12.1391607191716; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 05:33:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qc0-x22a.google.com (mail-qc0-x22a.google.com [2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22a]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a2si1066025qci.3.2014.02.05.05.33.11 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 05 Feb 2014 05:33:11 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22a as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22a; Received: by mail-qc0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id e9so577336qcy.29 for ; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 05:33:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.33.198 with SMTP id j64mr2433184qgj.14.1391607191633; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 05:33:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.96.3.3 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 05:33:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <712c705f-79f6-4606-8487-45331810eb6d@googlegroups.com> <20140116084440.GM2310@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <20140116085617.GN2310@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 08:33:11 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] ma xe fanva zoi gy. version gy. From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22a as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1139b4005302c804f1a8cce5 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 8202 --001a1139b4005302c804f1a8cce5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 ua.u'u I misunderstood then. So you are looking at an analogy, rather than a translation, in which case I agree that panra is probably the right way to go. lo fasybau kibypapri cu panra lo glibau kibropapri lo ka se srana e lo ka bangu --gejyspa On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 7:44 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > > > > On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 7:39 PM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 4:43 AM, Gleki Arxokuna < >> gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>>> Once I needed this word to say "French version of this page". This has >>> nothing to do with {farvi} as all versions of the page are equal, contain >>> the same text, just in different languages. >>> {lo fraso mupli be tu'a lo dei papri}? >>> "French example of this page"? >>> >>> >> Isn't that case simply a xe fanva? Or am I missing something subtle >> here?? >> > > There is no translation. E.g. a page named "Contacts". French page would > addresses of French lojbanists. English page would have addresses of > lojbanists speaking English. > > "instance" is probably the right glossword here. 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=C2=A0ua.u'u =C2=A0I misunderstood then. =C2=A0So you = are looking at an analogy, rather than a translation, in which case I agree= that panra is probably the right way to go.
lo fasybau kibypapri cu pa= nra lo glibau kibropapri lo ka se srana e lo ka bangu

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0--gejyspa

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On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 7:44 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:



On Tue, Feb 4= , 2014 at 7:39 PM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
=C2=A0


On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 4:43 = AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wro= te:
=

Once I needed this word to say "= ;French version of this page". This has nothing to do with {farvi} as = all versions of the page are equal, contain the same text, just in differen= t languages.
{lo fraso mupli be tu'a lo dei papri}?
"French exam= ple of this page"?


=C2=A0 Isn't that case simply a = =C2=A0xe fanva? =C2=A0Or am I missing something subtle here??

There is no = translation. E.g. a page named "Contacts". French page would addr= esses of French lojbanists. English page would have addresses of lojbanists= speaking English.

"instance" is probably the right glossword he= re. So {mupli} is closer.


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 --gejyspa
= =C2=A0

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