Received: from mail-we0-f192.google.com ([74.125.82.192]:46212) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WB34c-0005qo-EZ for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 06:03:36 -0800 Received: by mail-we0-f192.google.com with SMTP id w61sf33099wes.29 for ; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 06:03:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=925uSh3H+X4YepAdAtOZ0yMpXCB90yF1vNr/MAmZ808=; b=tUd0acroTgr5gwBVpD64135YqffcpfI67XlpLmBA/+RbjsLoo01TwoGhn1PsDn117Y aRXIDW18TrXMGA9GSHrOHYVcogwxdkR0Y0O1rTgXvSOCE05YM9dhngA44TYpMmPk8W7M 1moRZi24Hdaar0FM5XOth61TdhUAtqWsftPJ+DZ3/czuNSrfbMRRqci8RuikbN5wVebM gyqcSR2CnWuI+ZGlxvfe7/iFVKwwFdw2JJoOkAfVZ2FODw12fhZfa4mO/2oSPX0he6y3 YGvB/y4kksQ0axOXFiYhNknir6Gnn9+GR7RLU6e0jn9AvcHVMJvYNR4STm/Sb0D3gLp7 4smg== X-Received: by 10.152.87.104 with SMTP id w8mr7315laz.38.1391609002961; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 06:03:22 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.152.21.132 with SMTP id v4ls41751lae.101.gmail; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 06:03:21 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.152.120.195 with SMTP id le3mr769679lab.1.1391609001974; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 06:03:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wi0-x232.google.com (mail-wi0-x232.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c05::232]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id jb4si791127wic.0.2014.02.05.06.03.21 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 05 Feb 2014 06:03:21 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::232 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::232; Received: by mail-wi0-f178.google.com with SMTP id cc10so571939wib.11 for ; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 06:03:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.92.164 with SMTP id cn4mr1514389wjb.74.1391609001825; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 06:03:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.82.135 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 06:03:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <712c705f-79f6-4606-8487-45331810eb6d@googlegroups.com> <20140116084440.GM2310@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <20140116085617.GN2310@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 18:03:21 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] ma xe fanva zoi gy. version gy. From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::232 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bfceb4a385d3504f1a938c6 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 10449 --047d7bfceb4a385d3504f1a938c6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 "version" in this sense can be compared to several devices produced according to the same blueprint. The blueprint is non-material. All applications of it are material, though. On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > ua.u'u I misunderstood then. So you are looking at an analogy, rather > than a translation, in which case I agree that panra is probably the right > way to go. > lo fasybau kibypapri cu panra lo glibau kibropapri lo ka se srana e lo ka > bangu > > --gejyspa > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 7:44 AM, Gleki Arxokuna > wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 7:39 PM, Michael Turniansky > > wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 4:43 AM, Gleki Arxokuna < >>> gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>> Once I needed this word to say "French version of this page". This has >>>> nothing to do with {farvi} as all versions of the page are equal, contain >>>> the same text, just in different languages. >>>> {lo fraso mupli be tu'a lo dei papri}? >>>> "French example of this page"? >>>> >>>> >>> Isn't that case simply a xe fanva? Or am I missing something subtle >>> here?? >>> >> >> There is no translation. E.g. a page named "Contacts". French page would >> addresses of French lojbanists. English page would have addresses of >> lojbanists speaking English. >> >> "instance" is probably the right glossword here. So {mupli} is closer. >> >> >>> --gejyspa >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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"version" in this sense can be compared to sever= al devices produced according to the same blueprint. The blueprint is non-m= aterial. All applications of it are material, though.



On Wed, Feb 5= , 2014 at 5:33 PM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
=C2=A0ua.u'u =C2=A0I mi= sunderstood then. =C2=A0So you are looking at an analogy, rather than a tra= nslation, in which case I agree that panra is probably the right way to go.=
lo fasybau kibypapri cu panra lo glibau kibropapri lo ka se srana e lo ka b= angu

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0--gejyspa

=



On Wed, Feb 5, 20= 14 at 7:44 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>= wrote:



On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 7:3= 9 PM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>
=C2=A0


On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 4:43 = AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wro= te:
=

Once I needed this word to say "= ;French version of this page". This has nothing to do with {farvi} as = all versions of the page are equal, contain the same text, just in differen= t languages.
{lo fraso mupli be tu'a lo dei papri}?
"French exam= ple of this page"?


=C2=A0 Isn't that case simply a = =C2=A0xe fanva? =C2=A0Or am I missing something subtle here??

There is no = translation. E.g. a page named "Contacts". French page would addr= esses of French lojbanists. English page would have addresses of lojbanists= speaking English.

"instance" is probably the right glossword he= re. So {mupli} is closer.


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 --gejyspa
= =C2=A0

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