Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 12:00:17 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] how do you use sumka'i to refer to an outer bridi?
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ki'e Pierre
 
I had thought of using {ke'a} .iku'ibabo I realized that {ke'a} works 
specifically in reletive clauses to refer to the sumti being modified - and 
thus it would not work in this case.  So I looked up {ce'u} in the 
Reference Guide and sure enough, that would do it!  Thanks again!
 
mi'e .neit. mu'o

On Wednesday, April 23, 2014 12:34:24 PM UTC-4, Pierre Abbat wrote:

> On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 09:12:38 neit wrote: 
> > coi rodo 
> > 
> > A good example that I'm trying to wrap my brain around is the following: 
> > Suppose I want to say, "Who wants my dog?"  bau la lojban - .i ma djica 
> lo 
> > nu ____ ponse lo mi gerku 
> > 
> > I want a sumka'i in the ____ to refer to the "ma" in the main bridi. 
>  How 
> > can I do that?  Can I use the reflexive sumka'i vo'a?  (.i ma djica lo 
> nu 
> > vo'a ponse lo mi gerku)?  Or do those reflexive sumka'i only refer to 
> their 
> > native bridi, or can they "reach-out" and refer to the main bridi of 
> which 
> > they are a part? 
>
> I'd use "ce'u", since it's in a nu-clause. 
>
> Pierre 
> -- 
> ve ka'a ro klaji la .romas. se jmaji 
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><DIV>ki'e Pierre</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I had thought of using {ke'a} .iku'ibabo I realized that {ke'a} works =
specifically in reletive clauses to refer to the sumti being modified - and=
 thus it would not work in this case.&nbsp; So I looked up {ce'u} in the Re=
ference Guide and sure enough, that would do it!&nbsp; Thanks again!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>mi'e .neit. mu'o</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Wednesday, April 23, 2014 12:34:24 PM UTC-4, Pierre Abbat wrote=
:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3Dgmail_quote>On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 09:12:3=
8 neit wrote: <BR>&gt; coi rodo <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; A good example that I'm t=
rying to wrap my brain around is the following: <BR>&gt; Suppose I want to =
say, "Who wants my dog?" &nbsp;bau la lojban - .i ma djica lo <BR>&gt; nu _=
___ ponse lo mi gerku <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; I want a sumka'i in the ____ to ref=
er to the "ma" in the main bridi. &nbsp;How <BR>&gt; can I do that? &nbsp;C=
an I use the reflexive sumka'i vo'a? &nbsp;(.i ma djica lo nu <BR>&gt; vo'a=
 ponse lo mi gerku)? &nbsp;Or do those reflexive sumka'i only refer to thei=
r <BR>&gt; native bridi, or can they "reach-out" and refer to the main brid=
i of which <BR>&gt; they are a part? <BR><BR>I'd use "ce'u", since it's in =
a nu-clause. <BR><BR>Pierre <BR>-- <BR>ve ka'a ro klaji la .romas. se jmaji=
 <BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></div>

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