Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 11:53:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: ".neit." <kosmikconundrum@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] how do you use sumka'i to refer to an outer bridi?
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doi dan.
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I know you didn't intend to lure me.  I purposefully misinterpreted your=20
statement as though you had meant to make me feel ok with usage that not=20
everyone agrees with.  In light of that willful misinterpretation, your=20
suggestion to "use it responsibly" could likewise be misinterpreted as=20
permission for me to go off and use said contentous usage.  By asking if=20
this was a hazing, I implied that you did all of this to play a joke on me=
=20
for the purpose of initiating the new-guy. =20
=20
You did, in fact, take plenty of precautions.  I noticed, and jokingly=20
pretended otherwise.  (hence the {zo'o / zo'onai} discursives.  Did I use=
=20
them correctly?)=20
=20
That explains all the content under my {zo'o} that could possibly offend. =
=20
And I apologize if I did offend you.  If there is any of the rest of my=20
mail under the {zo'onai} that you didn't uderstand, I'll happily explain it=
=20
as well!
=20
As for {ka} vs {nu} being a question of semantics rather than grammer.  I=
=20
agree.  I haven't decided what I believe regarding the semantic question,=
=20
and so I haven't decided which convention of usage I want to use as a=20
general rule.  Since I'm undecided, I'll stick with what's published {nu}. =
=20
That's what I've learned on thus far, and so it's what I'm currently=20
comfortable with.  I admit, that as I use Lojban more and become more=20
comfortable with it (as you and others have in IRC), then I'll likely use=
=20
what's popular {ka}. =20
=20
And thanks by the way for all the links you provided on my other post!  I=
=20
feel like I've crawled all over that website (lojban.org) and yet somehow=
=20
missed those pages!
=20
Most helpful indeed!
=20
mi'e neit. mu'o
=20
On Friday, April 25, 2014 1:47:02 PM UTC-4, Dan Ros=C3=A9n wrote:

>
>  On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 7:26 PM, .neit. <kosmikc...@gmail.com<javascript=
:>
> > wrote:
>
>>  zo'o Oh, I see how it is Dan.  Lure in the noob with the phrase "quite=
=20
>> customary", strap a controversy to his back when he isn't looking, and s=
et=20
>> him loose on the board!  What is this a hazing?  .u'isai
>>
>
> It wasn't my intention to lure anyone. I thought "quite customary" and=20
> "not everyone agrees with this" was precautionary enough. I don't=20
> understand the rest of your mail.
> =20
>
>>  ... Especially when the grammer is already decided.
>>
>   =20
>>
>  About English, I feel that it's ok if you break the rules of grammer and=
=20
>> convention, as long as you know the grammer and convention, and you brea=
k=20
>> it on purpose, to create an effect.
>>
>
> This is not a question about grammar (after all, {ka} and {nu} are in the=
=20
> same selma'o/part-of-speech). It is a question of semantics.
>
> co'o
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><DIV>doi dan.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I know you didn't intend to lure me.&nbsp; I purposefully misinterpret=
ed your statement as though you had meant to make me feel ok with usage tha=
t not everyone agrees with.&nbsp; In light of that willful misinterpretatio=
n, your suggestion to "use it responsibly" could likewise be misinterpreted=
 as permission for me to go off and use said contentous usage.&nbsp; By ask=
ing if this was a hazing, I implied that you did all of this to play a joke=
 on me for the purpose of initiating the new-guy.&nbsp; </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>You did, in fact, take plenty of precautions.&nbsp; I noticed, and jok=
ingly pretended otherwise.&nbsp; (hence the {zo'o / zo'onai} discursives.&n=
bsp; Did I use them correctly?)&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>That explains all the content under my {zo'o} that could possibly offe=
nd.&nbsp; And I apologize if I did offend you.&nbsp; If there is any of the=
 rest of my mail under the {zo'onai} that you didn't uderstand, I'll happil=
y explain it as well!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>As for {ka} vs {nu} being a question of semantics rather than grammer.=
&nbsp; I agree.&nbsp; I haven't decided what I believe regarding the semant=
ic question, and so I haven't decided which convention of usage I want to u=
se as a general rule.&nbsp; Since I'm undecided, I'll stick with what's pub=
lished {nu}.&nbsp; That's what I've learned on thus far, and so it's what I=
'm currently comfortable with.&nbsp; I admit, that as I use Lojban more and=
 become more comfortable with it (as you and others have in IRC), then I'll=
 likely use what's popular {ka}.&nbsp; </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>And thanks by the way for all the links you provided on my other post!=
&nbsp; I feel like I've crawled all over that website (lojban.org) and yet =
somehow missed those pages!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Most helpful indeed!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>mi'e neit. mu'o</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>On Friday, April 25, 2014 1:47:02 PM UTC-4, Dan Ros=C3=A9n wrote:</DIV=
>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3Dgmail_quote>
<DIV dir=3Dltr><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 7:26 PM, .neit. <SPAN dir=
=3Dltr>&lt;<A onmousedown=3D"this.href=3D'javascript:';return true;" onclic=
k=3D"this.href=3D'javascript:';return true;" href=3D"javascript:" target=3D=
_blank gdf-obfuscated-mailto=3D"FCY7jZEQ8aYJ">kosmikc...@gmail.com</A>&gt;<=
/SPAN> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3Dgmail_quote>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>
<DIV>zo'o Oh, I see how it is Dan.&nbsp; Lure in the noob with the phrase "=
quite customary", strap a controversy to his back when he isn't looking, an=
d set him loose on the board!&nbsp; What is this a hazing?&nbsp; .u'isai</D=
IV>
<DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR>It wasn't my intention to lure anyone. I thought "quite customary"=
 and "not everyone agrees with this" was precautionary enough. I don't unde=
rstand the rest of your mail.<BR>&nbsp;<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3Dgmail_quote>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>
<DIV>... Especially when the grammer is already decided.</DIV></DIV></BLOCK=
QUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3Dgmail_quote>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>
<DIV>&nbsp; <BR></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3Dgmail_quote>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>
<DIV>About English, I feel that it's ok if you break the rules of grammer a=
nd convention, as long as you know the grammer and convention, and you brea=
k it on purpose, to create an effect.<BR></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR>This is not a question about grammar (after all, {ka} and {nu} are=
 in the same selma'o/part-of-speech). It is a question of semantics.<BR><BR=
>co'o<BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></div>

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