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On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 3:50 PM, .neit. <kosmikconundrum@gmail.com> wrote:

> coi rodo
>
> .uanai .e'o So if I wanted to say {mi ca tarti lo ka _attitudinal_ kei}
> Would that be gramatical?
>

No, "ka ... kei" requires a bridi.

I ask because with the attitudinals, their scales, modifiers, categories
> and sheer compoundability, a speaker could articulate to a higher degree,
> his/her feelings than simply using brivla.  And given that, there are times
> when you would want to express a feeling in bridi form, which brivla fail
> to adequately specify.  I'm trying to get at a way of discussing an
> attitudinal compound in a bridi.
>

You could create a brivla out of the attitudinal, for example "mi tarti lo
ka ua zei nai". But I'm not sure I'd describe that as more articulate than
"mi tarti lo ka se cfipu". Maybe somewhat comparable to saying "I went
'huh?'" vs "I acted confused".


> Could I assign the attitudinal compound to an assignable sumka'i using
> {goi} and discuss the attitudinal compound using that sumka'i?
>

No, you can only assign the referents of a sumti with goi. You could say
something like "ko'a goi la'e lu ua nai li'u"

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 3:50 PM, .neit. <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:kosmikconundrum@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">kosmikconundrum@gm=
ail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>coi rodo</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>.uanai .e&#39;o So if I wanted to say {mi ca tarti lo ka=C2=A0_attitud=
inal_ kei}=C2=A0 Would that be gramatical?=C2=A0 </div></div></blockquote><=
div><br></div><div>No, &quot;ka ... kei&quot; requires a bridi.=C2=A0<br></=
div><div><br></div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">
<div>I ask because with the attitudinals, their scales, modifiers, categori=
es and sheer compoundability, a speaker could articulate to a higher degree=
, his/her feelings than simply using brivla.=C2=A0 And given that, there ar=
e times when you would want to express a feeling in bridi form, which brivl=
a fail to adequately specify.=C2=A0 I&#39;m trying to get at a way of discu=
ssing an attitudinal compound in a bridi.=C2=A0</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>You could create a brivla out of the=
 attitudinal, for example &quot;mi tarti lo ka ua zei nai&quot;. But I&#39;=
m not sure I&#39;d describe that as more articulate than &quot;mi tarti lo =
ka se cfipu&quot;. Maybe somewhat comparable to saying &quot;I went &#39;hu=
h?&#39;&quot; vs &quot;I acted confused&quot;. =C2=A0</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
=3D"ltr">
<div>Could I assign the attitudinal compound to an assignable sumka&#39;i u=
sing {goi} and discuss the attitudinal compound using that sumka&#39;i?=C2=
=A0</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>No, you can only assign the=
 referents of a sumti with goi. You could say something like &quot;ko&#39;a=
 goi la&#39;e lu ua nai li&#39;u&quot;</div>
<div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0</div></=
div></div></div>

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