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Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 17:37:04 +0400
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Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: {konju} and its place structure
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I simply mean that {da'i} is not suitable here. {da'i} is about imaginary
situations that are not in the current context.

It reflects subjunctive mood like "If I were 14 years now I would climb on
that roof".

However, even immaterial cone is {da'inai} when we are discussing it.


2014-06-13 17:20 GMT+04:00 <len.budney@gmail.com>:

> I'm probably missing a subtlety here, but what is the distinction between,
> "x1 is hypothetically a cone," and "x1 is a hypothetical cone"? I accept
> that I'm missing /something/...
>
> On Friday, June 13, 2014 9:03:49 AM UTC-4, la gleki wrote:
>>
>>
>> 2014-06-13 16:41 GMT+04:00 <len.b...@gmail.com>:
>>
>> I would consider that to be more or less the ideal definition for
>>> {konju}. You can add an x4 to specify the material, but in that case it
>>> would create ambiguity whether we're talking about the mathematical
>>> abstraction of "cone," or simply a conical object. I guess we could say
>>> {konju da'i} for an abstract cone and {konju da'inai} for a conical object?
>>> I'm reaching here.
>>>
>>
>> {da'i} is about hypothetical situations.
>>
>> {lo konju poi marji lo mudri} - a wooden cone.
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I simply mean that {da&#39;i} is not suitable here. {da=
9;i} is about imaginary situations that are not in the current context.<div=
><br></div><div>It reflects subjunctive mood like &quot;If I were 14 years =
now I would climb on that roof&quot;.</div>
<div><br></div><div>However, even immaterial cone is {da&#39;inai} when we =
are discussing it.</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">2014-06-13 17:20 GMT+04:00  <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:len.budney@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">len.budney@gmail.com</a>=
&gt;</span>:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;m probably missing a =
subtlety here, but what is the distinction between, &quot;x1 is hypothetica=
lly a cone,&quot; and &quot;x1 is a hypothetical cone&quot;? I accept that =
I&#39;m missing /something/...<br>
<br>On Friday, June 13, 2014 9:03:49 AM UTC-4, la gleki wrote:<blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #c=
cc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote">
2014-06-13 16:41 GMT+04:00  <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a>len.b...@gmail.com</a>=
&gt;</span>:<div class=3D""><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>I would consider that to be more or less the ideal definition for {kon=
ju}. You can add an x4 to specify the material, but in that case it would c=
reate ambiguity whether we&#39;re talking about the mathematical abstractio=
n of &quot;cone,&quot; or simply a conical object. I guess we could say {ko=
nju da&#39;i} for an abstract cone and {konju da&#39;inai} for a conical ob=
ject? I&#39;m reaching here.</div>

<div></div></blockquote></div></div><div class=3D""><br>{da&#39;i} is about=
 hypothetical situations.</div></div><div class=3D""><div><br></div><div>{l=
o konju poi marji lo mudri} - a wooden cone.</div></div></div>
</blockquote></div>

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