Received: from mail-ie0-f189.google.com ([209.85.223.189]:37185) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XMc0U-0005kf-8d for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 05:07:18 -0700 Received: by mail-ie0-f189.google.com with SMTP id at20sf27588iec.6 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 05:07:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=OPV8KQVhDowg98hA6JBRp4skE4LDjHUi2NGMHeuPM7A=; b=EY4Qgm9V6Y+Ue+lZ0gT13sf9fu67H1jJB/7hYHhe1SgJ0j7EoZAz4H/TPTeyVg6WxK 1G26Sdd4DIAWhNiEbWSyiPC7jucCWGZzs9qXC2VTA4XNDwssdwT/J7SAZ7TvJQSSdx8s Jvf9FGQIpwozkELa1J0LYyW4pRutc2703mtwdw2hGzMBh7DUrp1wne/uumyXVLLn5J36 TlVidZ2cExbCc4DVBrllgulRKIcFPJh/leNVh3x5uQ6T2HnS6sC+mYIVLWiXmDT3j6KK ebOmPqxu4gdpaVn6wYPLUdyivf1GOSD8wc/jcDeVFctcpcBbmzJJPmTfzUabPpJargdG SUMQ== X-Received: by 10.50.49.78 with SMTP id s14mr712793ign.7.1409141231955; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 05:07:11 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.73.227 with SMTP id o3ls389827igv.13.gmail; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 05:07:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.66.161.7 with SMTP id xo7mr21950402pab.14.1409141230789; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 05:07:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yh0-x22e.google.com (mail-yh0-x22e.google.com [2607:f8b0:4002:c01::22e]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m14si10798yhm.7.2014.08.27.05.07.10 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 27 Aug 2014 05:07:10 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4002:c01::22e as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4002:c01::22e; Received: by mail-yh0-f46.google.com with SMTP id a41so112631yho.19 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 05:07:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.52.249.66 with SMTP id ys2mr851482vdc.41.1409141230645; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 05:07:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.219.1 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 05:06:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <90585a7c-1826-4e80-aef3-d83c83d5e8f3@googlegroups.com> References: <90585a7c-1826-4e80-aef3-d83c83d5e8f3@googlegroups.com> From: Jacob Errington Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 08:06:50 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] English w and y sounds To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4002:c01::22e as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e015373007db59005019b42e8 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Content-Length: 3037 --089e015373007db59005019b42e8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 26 August 2014 18:57, TR NS wrote: > Can a gismu or lujvo have a "y" or "w" sound in it (by this I mean the > English sounds)? Reading about the morphology again, it seems like this > can't happen. Which means they only ever occur in attitudinals. > > gismu or lujvo cannot contain the diphthongs uV and iV, where the English "y" and "w" sounds come from. These sounds occur in cmavo (the attitudinals), in zi'evla (aka fu'ivla, e.g. {kraui} which has two syllables {kra/ui}), and cmevla (e.g. ".uis."). .i mi'e la tsani mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --089e015373007db59005019b42e8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 26 August 2014 18:57, TR NS <transfire@gmail.com= > wrote:
Can a gismu or lujvo have a "y" or "w"= sound in it (by this I mean the English sounds)? Reading about the morphol= ogy again, it seems like this can't happen. Which means they only ever = occur in attitudinals.

gismu or lujvo cannot contain the diphthon= gs uV and iV, where the English "y" and "w" sounds come= from.
These sounds occur in cmavo (the attitudinals), in zi'evla (a= ka fu'ivla, e.g. {kraui} which has two syllables {kra/ui}), and cmevla = (e.g. ".uis.").

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

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