Received: from mail-ig0-f184.google.com ([209.85.213.184]:35495) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XNvyv-00047N-Ld for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 30 Aug 2014 20:39:11 -0700 Received: by mail-ig0-f184.google.com with SMTP id uq10sf1011290igb.11 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2014 20:39:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=QCm8immKBH1Dn8uU3PrdGhpidFnNCV1YOCurg3M8EwY=; b=jGhc2ymuowut937vyWswPPkv1aKM75Dv+qbP4NpQVjQJdSvyj8ujLuVnFliHsbJ3P6 yNnIGfsTcDL9EoSlOOWjDIPpm+TezORzEv6pYZgNlJfJJIUIje5MgoFO4XYVuoKceNJI /8/lPPkmEU/bUcFTpscw/+UR46GPBGVbQW10qcn6nvZnhb15ieawVgZNw/47UGgybQpI MO2IQrPT3vGPv7D+AK4Pf5elQp2PQtAl0Nukc2ILSme51i3dJTgtLJrtjAD0yQbV22y+ BmljWI0mqoXD08R+CrfE2LYHBlp69HUpZ0u4ZT9hS4L6XmMDnZmE7KTdvYN8Ipf3n7KL ChRg== X-Received: by 10.50.77.51 with SMTP id p19mr81658igw.17.1409456343190; Sat, 30 Aug 2014 20:39:03 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.4.102 with SMTP id j6ls1179814igj.42.canary; Sat, 30 Aug 2014 20:39:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.66.141.70 with SMTP id rm6mr11370822pab.37.1409456341905; Sat, 30 Aug 2014 20:39:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qg0-x236.google.com (mail-qg0-x236.google.com [2607:f8b0:400d:c04::236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ld1si922901qcb.3.2014.08.30.20.39.01 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 30 Aug 2014 20:39:01 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c04::236 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400d:c04::236; Received: by mail-qg0-f54.google.com with SMTP id q107so3939626qgd.13 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2014 20:39:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.172.129 with SMTP id l1mr32826014qaz.90.1409456341727; Sat, 30 Aug 2014 20:39:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.96.167.98 with HTTP; Sat, 30 Aug 2014 20:39:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.96.167.98 with HTTP; Sat, 30 Aug 2014 20:39:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <540267E6.7060708@lojban.org> References: <8fa246bc-748d-4343-bd10-c52bc09675cd@googlegroups.com> <2392932.W34PnnoCO1@caracal> <5401FB4F.9060905@lojban.org> <540267E6.7060708@lojban.org> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 21:39:01 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] How many words? From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c04::236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b6771aa93417a0501e4a082 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Content-Length: 6080 --047d7b6771aa93417a0501e4a082 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Agreed. But you said brivla, which in that example is jdara'a, and that's not a name, it's one of the categories that appears in the cultural gismu (religion). On Aug 30, 2014 6:10 PM, "Robert LeChevalier" wrote: > On 8/30/2014 5:51 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder >> - LLG > wrote: >> >> Without going into opinions as to how common talking about such >> is or >> will be in Lojban, it is handy to be able to talk about {lo >> klura'a be >> lo nunjmaji} or {lo jdara'a be la.vylkan.} without having to look >> at >> some arbitrarily long list. >> >> >> It seems that for arbitrary "culture names" the proper solution is >> start with "Type 1" or "Type 2" fu'ivla aka quoted non-Lojban and >> cmene (using "me" if needed). There is no need to coin a brivla >> unless the word is being used frequently over time, or if there is >> need to represent a full place structure. >> >> lojbab >> >> They aren't culture names. >> > > We may be arguing terminology. "la vylkan." in the above is what I mean > by a "culture name". Likewise "English", "Hungarian", "Hmong", > "Zoroastrian". > > lojbab > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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Agreed. But you said brivla, which in that example is jdara&= #39;a, and that's not a name, it's one of the categories that appea= rs in the cultural gismu (religion).

On Aug 30, 2014 6:10 PM, "Robert LeChevalie= r" <lojbab@lojban.org> = wrote:
On 8/30/2014 5:51 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote:
On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG <lojbab@loj= ban.org <mailto:lojbab@lojban.org>> wrote:

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Without going into opinions as to how common talking about = such
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 is or
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 will be in Lojban, it is handy to be able to talk about {lo=
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 klura'a be
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 lo nunjmaji} or {lo jdara'a be la.vylkan.} without havi= ng to look at
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 some arbitrarily long list.


=A0 =A0 It seems that for arbitrary "culture names" the proper so= lution is
=A0 =A0 start with "Type 1" or "Type 2" fu'ivla aka= quoted non-Lojban and
=A0 =A0 cmene (using "me" if needed).=A0 There is no need to coin= a brivla
=A0 =A0 unless the word is being used frequently over time, or if there is<= br> =A0 =A0 need to represent a full place structure.

=A0 =A0 lojbab

They aren't culture names.

We may be arguing terminology.=A0 "la vylkan." in the above is wh= at I mean by a "culture name".=A0 Likewise "English", &= quot;Hungarian", "Hmong", "Zoroastrian".

lojbab

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