Received: from mail-qc0-f190.google.com ([209.85.216.190]:43627) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XUcUO-0004aY-Kx for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 07:15:17 -0700 Received: by mail-qc0-f190.google.com with SMTP id x3sf224262qcv.7 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 07:15:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=WtEqQMSjZwsgyZs5y9VXKg6vgrrwZXovAh2dxZme9/k=; b=VKdHKizQHMm51q39O/mJ+pD9dL31gjHTaTDB3ZCQuiGjvOTbhoUg5V4TEZdtjgEdVt EiHGISVCMXvR0e257RV3AcMN+6s4IjD5fGSjfP8X5O68/AyeuOa+t38dXvsj0imQibJC Zx1m3PRDX/MLuu+GjgLGdhzegbHlTVCdaehkRZxEkK/HjSqDNBWL7wKwxmv2QATwgU1K fcvHa0ZSCkob/Q7O4oeT/k8DnUrfh9u37IT0hX7jJrJEzGRdmv2UEF2G04DGXC1jlDAn qkyNQgPS8Q60L5kyEOYhYT1YpleQX3XRQZRf9Z1CVB6r65drGln/U4Q/WdXIknEVgNGQ Bo4Q== X-Received: by 10.50.30.38 with SMTP id p6mr19393igh.8.1411049710049; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 07:15:10 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.253.164 with SMTP id ab4ls4328899igd.43.canary; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 07:15:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.66.147.227 with SMTP id tn3mr3972012pab.4.1411049709086; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 07:15:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vc0-x22e.google.com (mail-vc0-x22e.google.com [2607:f8b0:400c:c03::22e]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ew8si574463vdb.1.2014.09.18.07.15.09 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 18 Sep 2014 07:15:09 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c03::22e as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400c:c03::22e; Received: by mail-vc0-f174.google.com with SMTP id hy10so749434vcb.19 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 07:15:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.52.34.104 with SMTP id y8mr752230vdi.37.1411049708874; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 07:15:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.67.141 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 07:14:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Jacob Errington Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 10:14:48 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] {bilni}. How to use? It has been use only once! To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c03::22e as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf30780ab0a8731f0503579c98 X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.9 X-Spam_score_int: -8 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 5147 --20cf30780ab0a8731f0503579c98 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 .i la gleki di'e cusku > Strange but I can see that {bilni} has been used only once in the corpus. > There are more examples of {bilni} in lojban mriste but its x3 is never > filled. > > bilni = x1 is military/regimented/is strongly organized/prepared by system > x2 for purpose x3. > > > It has a place structure different from {girzu} and I dont know how to use > it. > Is bilni1 a soldier or an army? > I need either an example with all places filled or I'll just ignore this > word. > > I can see bilni in two ways. 1) bende with the x2 removed, plus the usual connotations of things being military. (That being said, I would like to see bende2 removed, since it's just another instance of group membership which can be achieved by other means.) 2) the definition is a bit off. Read it instead like this: "bilni = x1 is *a* military/regimented/strongly organized x2 for purpose x3". This way, bilni is what I call a "connotation selbri", like the cultural gismu. This allows you to use it as a compositional adjective, like mutce et al. e.g. bende bilni -> bilni lo ka ce'u bende -> "army". You can effectively "militarize" any selbri by sticking "bilni" onto the end thus. Regardless of these two interpretations, bilni3 is just a property of the x1 that expresses the raison-d'etre of the x1. It's pretty redundant to mukti, pe'i. .i tu poi sonci certu so'u mei cu bilni lo ka bende kei lo ka ce'u nurgau lo noltruti'u lo palci mafcre "These few expert soldiers are a military group destined to rescue the princess from the evil witch." .i mi'e la tsani mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --20cf30780ab0a8731f0503579c98 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
.i la gleki di'e cusku
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<= div>Strange but I can see that {bilni} has been used only once in the corpu= s.
There are more examples of {bilni} in lojban mriste but its x3= is never filled.

bilni =3D x1 is military/regimen= ted/is strongly organized/prepared by system x2 for purpose x3.
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It has a place structure different from {girzu= } and I dont know how to use it.
Is bilni1 a soldier or an army?<= /div>
I need either an example with all places filled or I'll just = ignore this word.

I can see bilni in two ways.

1) bend= e with the x2 removed, plus the usual connotations of things being military= . (That being said, I would like to see bende2 removed, since it's just= another instance of group membership which can be achieved by other means.= )
2) the definition is a bit off. Read it instead like this: "bilni= =3D x1 is a military/regimented/strongly organized x2 for purpose x= 3". This way, bilni is what I call a "connotation selbri", l= ike the cultural gismu. This allows you to use it as a compositional adject= ive, like mutce et al. e.g. bende bilni -> bilni lo ka ce'u bende -&= gt; "army". You can effectively "militarize" any selbri= by sticking "bilni" onto the end thus.

Regardless of thes= e two interpretations, bilni3 is just a property of the x1 that expresses t= he raison-d'etre of the x1. It's pretty redundant to mukti, pe'= i.

.i tu poi sonci certu so'u mei cu bilni lo ka bende kei lo ka= ce'u nurgau lo noltruti'u lo palci mafcre
"These few exper= t soldiers are a military group destined to rescue the princess from the ev= il witch."

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o
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