Received: from mail-oa0-f63.google.com ([209.85.219.63]:50305) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XUyLT-0006XJ-3B for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 06:35:31 -0700 Received: by mail-oa0-f63.google.com with SMTP id jd19sf458420oac.28 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 06:35:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=xT9uYjx4cxqa0+63Lup4lTISgp6nj9KV19MAxHGhO+o=; b=Sr8n1cr3n2iVorkYdhjg5xrEStQttmOAQ3XEexLNn1GHIFvRniA3rkX22Bx3ZA5r++ hN+byrgwGrDAJOmM+9b9xOafss5I0aKBWG/tAPVa5QNprKlVG734Qni8r/FcxoZVuPY6 SEIplSQi/MLur36MAPVDHn0BPua3aaIaAKLuebONGBr4J8cxS3cQpDc5nJ1ksPqs3wql uRrsp98aWLXrWAcwb1NmwEpLw4yDlX5Yu6o2AleezNEHtPd4L/pVrVnKABkU5wkQNBdB 3/DL+bw8OoTkwnjPZ1elgmVZc7QAID9C/kt2j3OeRQuM7XuJBLvibhrfktvbFBzai1uI JLsQ== X-Received: by 10.182.73.193 with SMTP id n1mr1584obv.27.1411133725110; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 06:35:25 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.45.163 with SMTP id o3ls995020obm.34.gmail; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 06:35:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.182.56.200 with SMTP id c8mr4889779obq.7.1411133721968; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 06:35:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qc0-x234.google.com (mail-qc0-x234.google.com [2607:f8b0:400d:c01::234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k7si343531qcm.2.2014.09.19.06.35.21 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 19 Sep 2014 06:35:21 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c01::234 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400d:c01::234; Received: by mail-qc0-f180.google.com with SMTP id m20so3045351qcx.39 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 06:35:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.95.106 with SMTP id h97mr900880qge.103.1411133721744; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 06:35:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.201.74 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 06:35:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5076980.qB49T6XaTr@caracal> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 09:35:21 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] lamji4 From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: Mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c01::234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c160ee371e0e05036b2ced X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Content-Length: 12531 --001a11c160ee371e0e05036b2ced Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm not asking about your original question. I'm asking about your comment on Pierre's example that it "differs with other usage where lamji4 was {lo ka ce'u ce'u purci}." On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 9:30 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > My question: give me a meaningful plixau examples with all places of cimd= e > filled with other than LA-sumti and pro-sumti. > If you are saying that a place can be filled only with them please > explcitely state that. > A translation (not glossing) to English is required. > > I'm working on new gimste with usage examples. Without usage the word or > a te sumti doesnt exist for me. > > > 2014-09-19 17:09 GMT+04:00 Michael Turniansky : > >> Gleki, >> Is your question one about usage as both spatial and temporal >> dimensions? Because if so, lojban has no problem with that many times >> things like that. "cimde" itself, for example, can be either measuremen= t. >> "ti" can be either "here" or "now". lidne can be referring either to >> something in a line, a time sequence, or even just an abstract mathemati= cal >> concept. >> >> Or am I missing the subject of your query? >> ---gejyspa >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 2:52 AM, Gleki Arxokuna < >> gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> This differs with other usage where lamji4 was {lo ka ce'u ce'u purci}. >>> >>> {la potygug cu maji la sangug lo ka stuzi vau lo ka ce'u ce'u stici >>> vo'a}? >>> >>> 2014-05-08 20:29 GMT+04:00 Pierre Abbat : >>> >>>> On Thursday, May 08, 2014 15:47:45 Gleki Arxokuna wrote: >>>> > what would be the most useful example of lamji with the four places >>>> filled >>>> > in? >>>> >>>> Don't know about the *most* useful, but here's one: >>>> >>>> la .potygug. lamji la .sangug. lo ka stuzi lo stici >>>> >>>> The definition doesn't clarify whether lo ve lamji cu farna lo lamji l= o >>>> se >>>> lamji gi'ikau farna lo se lamji lo lamji. >>>> >>>> mu'omi'e .pier. >>>> -- >>>> La sal en el mar es m=C3=A1s que en la sangre. >>>> Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com= . >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send a= n >> email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. 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=C2=A0 I'm not asking about your original question. = =C2=A0I'm asking about your comment on Pierre's example that it &qu= ot;differs with= other usage where lamji4 was {lo ka ce'u ce'u purci}."=

On Fri, Sep= 19, 2014 at 9:30 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:
My= question: give me a meaningful plixau examples with all places of cimde fi= lled with other than LA-sumti and pro-sumti.
If you are saying that a p= lace can be filled only with them please explcitely state that.
A= translation (not glossing) to English is required.

I'm working on =C2=A0new gimste with usage examples. Without usage th= e word or a te sumti doesnt exist for me.


2014-09-19 17:09 GMT+04:00 Michael Turniansky <mturni= ansky@gmail.com>:
Gleki,=C2=A0
=C2=A0 Is your question one about usage as both s= patial and temporal dimensions? =C2=A0Because if so, lojban has no problem = with that many times things like that. =C2=A0"cimde" itself, for = example, can be either measurement. =C2=A0"ti" can be either &quo= t;here" or "now". =C2=A0lidne can be referring either to som= ething in a line, a time sequence, or even just an abstract mathematical co= ncept.

=C2=A0 Or am I missing the subject of your = query?
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ---gejyspa


= On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 2:52 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name= @gmail.com> wrote:
This differs with other usage where lamji4 was {lo ka ce'u ce&= #39;u purci}.

{la potygug cu maji la sangug lo ka st= uzi vau lo ka ce'u ce'u stici vo'a}?

2014-05-08 20:29 GMT+0= 4:00 Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org>:
On Thursday, May 08, 2014 15:47:45 Gleki Arxokuna wrote= :
> what would be the most useful example of lamji with the four places fi= lled
> in?

Don't know about the *most* useful, but here's one:

la .potygug. lamji la .sangug. lo ka stuzi lo stici

The definition doesn't clarify whether lo ve lamji cu farna lo lamji lo= se
lamji gi'ikau farna lo se lamji lo lamji.

mu'omi'e .pier.
--
La sal en el mar es m=C3=A1s que en la sangre.
Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang.

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