Received: from mail-wg0-f57.google.com ([74.125.82.57]:43592) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XUyPK-0006gr-MH for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 06:39:31 -0700 Received: by mail-wg0-f57.google.com with SMTP id m15sf226308wgh.22 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 06:39:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=QQ0kREzI8oBv6gZyNRs6cLd+PEcR4kUfGbd6nqDe7iA=; b=dH9DWIajDxdGE9pjO/o12LXQnqrFNbPR3kGH80mGmKF+KaQjYJ4PjeSkkKIMpyqY/e VnAtCbGnIM56luuoQM6GNAfHrrZUFDKkFbi3NSE6SSbrz9h3Pt0A8OP5D4dEs4jhll7p 98iFkH+5IPW97IQc1Ag+YIsFBLml2NWpiSFA31ScMtp+LWRuZKMbOiVu+GQYvAohmPa+ SzjRwYesW+9CBLQXawt82Z869jQmXvwM2PQb+SW3DqpVTLGeYi2/f9VNWJir0aDgVl6Q WbtwwATBQxd7FqVFKNW6At43LHXEnAe2QRypludzSHdckMi56QZ7iGsCrpiePfZ2sfD1 tllw== X-Received: by 10.152.23.228 with SMTP id p4mr1103laf.26.1411133963871; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 06:39:23 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.153.6.2 with SMTP id cq2ls319999lad.102.gmail; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 06:39:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.152.42.229 with SMTP id r5mr192711lal.8.1411133961935; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 06:39:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-we0-x22c.google.com (mail-we0-x22c.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c03::22c]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ca20si85985wib.3.2014.09.19.06.39.21 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 19 Sep 2014 06:39:21 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c03::22c as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c03::22c; Received: by mail-we0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id u56so2084827wes.3 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 06:39:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.14.101 with SMTP id o5mr6453037wic.25.1411133961819; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 06:39:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.89.193 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 06:39:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5076980.qB49T6XaTr@caracal> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 17:39:21 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] lamji4 From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c03::22c as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d041555fc86643805036b3aaa X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Content-Length: 14716 --f46d041555fc86643805036b3aaa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, I just found this example in the corpus. So we have two conflicting views on how to fill it. If so what shall I do? What is your opinion on lamji4? 2014-09-19 17:35 GMT+04:00 Michael Turniansky : > I'm not asking about your original question. I'm asking about your > comment on Pierre's example that it "differs with other usage where > lamji4 was {lo ka ce'u ce'u purci}." > > On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 9:30 AM, Gleki Arxokuna < > gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: > >> My question: give me a meaningful plixau examples with all places of >> cimde filled with other than LA-sumti and pro-sumti. >> If you are saying that a place can be filled only with them please >> explcitely state that. >> A translation (not glossing) to English is required. >> >> I'm working on new gimste with usage examples. Without usage the word o= r >> a te sumti doesnt exist for me. >> >> >> 2014-09-19 17:09 GMT+04:00 Michael Turniansky : >> >>> Gleki, >>> Is your question one about usage as both spatial and temporal >>> dimensions? Because if so, lojban has no problem with that many times >>> things like that. "cimde" itself, for example, can be either measureme= nt. >>> "ti" can be either "here" or "now". lidne can be referring either to >>> something in a line, a time sequence, or even just an abstract mathemat= ical >>> concept. >>> >>> Or am I missing the subject of your query? >>> ---gejyspa >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 2:52 AM, Gleki Arxokuna < >>> gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> This differs with other usage where lamji4 was {lo ka ce'u ce'u purci}= . >>>> >>>> {la potygug cu maji la sangug lo ka stuzi vau lo ka ce'u ce'u stici >>>> vo'a}? >>>> >>>> 2014-05-08 20:29 GMT+04:00 Pierre Abbat : >>>> >>>>> On Thursday, May 08, 2014 15:47:45 Gleki Arxokuna wrote: >>>>> > what would be the most useful example of lamji with the four places >>>>> filled >>>>> > in? >>>>> >>>>> Don't know about the *most* useful, but here's one: >>>>> >>>>> la .potygug. lamji la .sangug. lo ka stuzi lo stici >>>>> >>>>> The definition doesn't clarify whether lo ve lamji cu farna lo lamji >>>>> lo se >>>>> lamji gi'ikau farna lo se lamji lo lamji. >>>>> >>>>> mu'omi'e .pier. >>>>> -- >>>>> La sal en el mar es m=C3=A1s que en la sangre. >>>>> Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, sen= d >>>>> an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.co= m >>>>> . >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com= . >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send a= n >> email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. 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Well, I just found this example in the corpus. So we have = two conflicting views on how to fill it. If so what shall I do?
What is= your opinion on lamji4?

2014-09-19 17:35 GMT+04:00 Michael Turniansky <mtu= rniansky@gmail.com>:
=C2=A0 I'm not asking about your original question. =C2=A0I&= #39;m asking about your comment on Pierre's example that it "differs with other u= sage where lamji4 was {lo ka ce'u ce'u purci}."

On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 9:30 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
My question: give me a meaningful plixau exa= mples with all places of cimde filled with other than LA-sumti and pro-sumt= i.
If you are saying that a place can be filled only with them please e= xplcitely state that.
A translation (not glossing) to English is = required.

I'm working on =C2=A0new gimste with= usage examples. Without usage the word or a te sumti doesnt exist for me.<= /div>


2014-09-19 17:09 GMT+04:00 Michael Turniansky <mtu= rniansky@gmail.com>:
Gleki,=C2=A0
=C2=A0 Is your question one about usage as both= spatial and temporal dimensions? =C2=A0Because if so, lojban has no proble= m with that many times things like that. =C2=A0"cimde" itself, fo= r example, can be either measurement. =C2=A0"ti" can be either &q= uot;here" or "now". =C2=A0lidne can be referring either to s= omething in a line, a time sequence, or even just an abstract mathematical = concept.

=C2=A0 Or am I missing the subject of you= r query?
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ---gejyspa


On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 2:52 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.na= me@gmail.com> wrote:
This differs with other usage where lamji4 was {lo ka ce'u c= e'u purci}.

{la potygug cu maji la sangug lo ka = stuzi vau lo ka ce'u ce'u stici vo'a}?

2014-05-08 20:29 GMT= +04:00 Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org>:
On Thursday, May 08, 2014 15:47:45 Gleki Arxokuna wrot= e:
> what would be the most useful example of lamji with the four places fi= lled
> in?

Don't know about the *most* useful, but here's one:

la .potygug. lamji la .sangug. lo ka stuzi lo stici

The definition doesn't clarify whether lo ve lamji cu farna lo lamji lo= se
lamji gi'ikau farna lo se lamji lo lamji.

mu'omi'e .pier.
--
La sal en el mar es m=C3=A1s que en la sangre.
Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang.

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