Received: from mail-pa0-f60.google.com ([209.85.220.60]:35736) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XUymP-0007GI-My for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 07:03:24 -0700 Received: by mail-pa0-f60.google.com with SMTP id ey11sf14330pad.5 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 07:03:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=j10y8RsQeuMwot0iDWilAlSut/sd4XEAWHtNIvwaojc=; b=giNseTTbmJjltliVawIdEcZevYVS8Dd0mTyAMRBU/+IDqdXUOqKKaodP7zEVgpfdlx s3ExKAL5SghObSBs4r0nAHo79fXmgxPa6raSKQcPnkjFJaY+FQ1hM1Aholerg6ei8HEK 5QAueLgD7d0MIfL3Gq3eIXAH5epwrr3b2KbaSImtKcz+8ozbYDgHp5WfqqscoQWoH0cM nHeP6UdWJv0FELZs36Srq46RXSAChXTabHwme8XJtoIzK9treVjWvPxuvYzPRweDDbAt U+B2K9MW/AmiTlOXxLlDCDHfE5pbHGb61FQEf+yIJM03EN7ZXzzXEedwX6HWcet5S4CC 9nrQ== X-Received: by 10.182.70.39 with SMTP id j7mr94483obu.1.1411135395306; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 07:03:15 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.33.8 with SMTP id n8ls987216obi.52.gmail; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 07:03:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.182.18.8 with SMTP id s8mr4566925obd.21.1411135392648; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 07:03:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qg0-x235.google.com (mail-qg0-x235.google.com [2607:f8b0:400d:c04::235]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id im3si362058qcb.1.2014.09.19.07.03.12 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 19 Sep 2014 07:03:12 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c04::235 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400d:c04::235; Received: by mail-qg0-f53.google.com with SMTP id z107so2735069qgd.26 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 07:03:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.74.67 with SMTP id t3mr859399qaj.100.1411135392451; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 07:03:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.201.74 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 07:03:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5076980.qB49T6XaTr@caracal> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 10:03:12 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] lamji4 From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: Mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c04::235 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c3cb90cc140105036b8f47 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Content-Length: 16827 --001a11c3cb90cc140105036b8f47 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Again, I'm not sure what the conflict you see is, so that's why I am asking you to clarify. On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > Well, I just found this example in the corpus. So we have two conflicting > views on how to fill it. If so what shall I do? > What is your opinion on lamji4? > > 2014-09-19 17:35 GMT+04:00 Michael Turniansky : > >> I'm not asking about your original question. I'm asking about your >> comment on Pierre's example that it "differs with other usage where >> lamji4 was {lo ka ce'u ce'u purci}." >> >> On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 9:30 AM, Gleki Arxokuna < >> gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> My question: give me a meaningful plixau examples with all places of >>> cimde filled with other than LA-sumti and pro-sumti. >>> If you are saying that a place can be filled only with them please >>> explcitely state that. >>> A translation (not glossing) to English is required. >>> >>> I'm working on new gimste with usage examples. Without usage the word >>> or a te sumti doesnt exist for me. >>> >>> >>> 2014-09-19 17:09 GMT+04:00 Michael Turniansky : >>> >>>> Gleki, >>>> Is your question one about usage as both spatial and temporal >>>> dimensions? Because if so, lojban has no problem with that many times >>>> things like that. "cimde" itself, for example, can be either measurem= ent. >>>> "ti" can be either "here" or "now". lidne can be referring either to >>>> something in a line, a time sequence, or even just an abstract mathema= tical >>>> concept. >>>> >>>> Or am I missing the subject of your query? >>>> ---gejyspa >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 2:52 AM, Gleki Arxokuna < >>>> gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> This differs with other usage where lamji4 was {lo ka ce'u ce'u purci= }. >>>>> >>>>> {la potygug cu maji la sangug lo ka stuzi vau lo ka ce'u ce'u stici >>>>> vo'a}? >>>>> >>>>> 2014-05-08 20:29 GMT+04:00 Pierre Abbat : >>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday, May 08, 2014 15:47:45 Gleki Arxokuna wrote: >>>>>> > what would be the most useful example of lamji with the four place= s >>>>>> filled >>>>>> > in? >>>>>> >>>>>> Don't know about the *most* useful, but here's one: >>>>>> >>>>>> la .potygug. lamji la .sangug. lo ka stuzi lo stici >>>>>> >>>>>> The definition doesn't clarify whether lo ve lamji cu farna lo lamji >>>>>> lo se >>>>>> lamji gi'ikau farna lo se lamji lo lamji. >>>>>> >>>>>> mu'omi'e .pier. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> La sal en el mar es m=C3=A1s que en la sangre. >>>>>> Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, sen= d >>>>> an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.co= m >>>>> . >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com= . >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send a= n >> email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. 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=C2=A0 Again, I'm not sure what the conflict you see i= s, so that's why I am asking you to clarify.

On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Gleki= Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, I just found this examp= le in the corpus. So we have two conflicting views on how to fill it. If so= what shall I do?
What is your opinion on lamji4?

2014-09-19 17:35 GMT+04:00 Michael Turniansky <mturniansk= y@gmail.com>:
=C2=A0 I'm not asking about your original question. =C2=A0I'm a= sking about your comment on Pierre's example that it "differs with other usage wh= ere lamji4 was {lo ka ce'u ce'u purci}."

On Fri, Sep 19, = 2014 at 9:30 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
My ques= tion: give me a meaningful plixau examples with all places of cimde filled = with other than LA-sumti and pro-sumti.
If you are saying that a place = can be filled only with them please explcitely state that.
A tran= slation (not glossing) to English is required.

I&#= 39;m working on =C2=A0new gimste with usage examples. Without usage the wor= d or a te sumti doesnt exist for me.


2014-09-19 17:09 GM= T+04:00 Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Gleki,=C2=A0
=C2=A0 Is y= our question one about usage as both spatial and temporal dimensions? =C2= =A0Because if so, lojban has no problem with that many times things like th= at. =C2=A0"cimde" itself, for example, can be either measurement.= =C2=A0"ti" can be either "here" or "now". = =C2=A0lidne can be referring either to something in a line, a time sequence= , or even just an abstract mathematical concept.

= =C2=A0 Or am I missing the subject of your query?
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ---gejyspa


On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 2:52 AM= , Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote= :
This differs with othe= r usage where lamji4 was {lo ka ce'u ce'u purci}.

{la potygug cu maji la sangug lo ka stuzi vau lo ka ce'u ce'u= stici vo'a}?

2014-05-08 20:29 GMT+04:00 Pierre Abbat <phma@bezito= po.org>:
On Thursday,= May 08, 2014 15:47:45 Gleki Arxokuna wrote:
> what would be the most useful example of lamji with the four places fi= lled
> in?

Don't know about the *most* useful, but here's one:

la .potygug. lamji la .sangug. lo ka stuzi lo stici

The definition doesn't clarify whether lo ve lamji cu farna lo lamji lo= se
lamji gi'ikau farna lo se lamji lo lamji.

mu'omi'e .pier.
--
La sal en el mar es m=C3=A1s que en la sangre.
Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang.

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