Received: from mail-wg0-f57.google.com ([74.125.82.57]:55380) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XUysL-0007IF-NR for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 07:09:35 -0700 Received: by mail-wg0-f57.google.com with SMTP id m15sf221648wgh.12 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 07:09:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=tygRtI7UxSjOdwIW+mk9VLbvxkopifR6gcMJsWzOS+M=; b=sdhP0ivTXzfsq497GmdAtYLA/rjoMN3MBUHoRAy+3wah3sKGBcb65nkOrbqSFv+jBc f5SLzGXVZKrN8tFUml3l93dhO9/h7GWM9tDw3BH2LJSIsbfRO9yOiBDaNQSxPL+iOHwu J7TnHXziT0cedpdcErCeEqUUQ46OrbDpVMJWb8XttY7iaB9SzOKOp1JrBVgBFBnZf7L0 9rGfnVng64brUEava9WUU3c+tKJjC+9FaooDkIJFGf5Y2zyHBzPekxrYjgVs7LIljeAf vIJHjDcmRPMslsZakshjqWZWTyb21KUUzUN3jTI5s5bCumxZ7wa5xo0eL47BxVbmWaxn Mz2A== X-Received: by 10.180.107.99 with SMTP id hb3mr269425wib.13.1411135762887; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 07:09:22 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.97.231 with SMTP id ed7ls111493wib.3.gmail; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 07:09:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.160.169 with SMTP id xl9mr9926729wib.7.1411135761497; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 07:09:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-we0-x22c.google.com (mail-we0-x22c.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c03::22c]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ca20si90242wib.3.2014.09.19.07.09.21 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 19 Sep 2014 07:09:21 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c03::22c as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c03::22c; Received: by mail-we0-f172.google.com with SMTP id u56so2137981wes.17 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 07:09:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.83.6 with SMTP id m6mr1439624wjy.90.1411135761364; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 07:09:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.89.193 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 07:09:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5076980.qB49T6XaTr@caracal> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 18:09:21 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] lamji4 From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c03::22c as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bb04c7ac93f4405036ba514 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Content-Length: 19706 --047d7bb04c7ac93f4405036ba514 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable you said probably Pierre forgot to put {kei}. If so lamji4=3Dstici1 However, the other examples shows lamji4 =3D {lo ka ce'u ce'u purci}. The first example describes an object, the second one is a clause. Which one do you prefer? 2014-09-19 18:03 GMT+04:00 Michael Turniansky : > Again, I'm not sure what the conflict you see is, so that's why I am > asking you to clarify. > > On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Gleki Arxokuna < > gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Well, I just found this example in the corpus. So we have two conflictin= g >> views on how to fill it. If so what shall I do? >> What is your opinion on lamji4? >> >> 2014-09-19 17:35 GMT+04:00 Michael Turniansky : >> >>> I'm not asking about your original question. I'm asking about your >>> comment on Pierre's example that it "differs with other usage where >>> lamji4 was {lo ka ce'u ce'u purci}." >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 9:30 AM, Gleki Arxokuna < >>> gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> My question: give me a meaningful plixau examples with all places of >>>> cimde filled with other than LA-sumti and pro-sumti. >>>> If you are saying that a place can be filled only with them please >>>> explcitely state that. >>>> A translation (not glossing) to English is required. >>>> >>>> I'm working on new gimste with usage examples. Without usage the word >>>> or a te sumti doesnt exist for me. >>>> >>>> >>>> 2014-09-19 17:09 GMT+04:00 Michael Turniansky : >>>> >>>>> Gleki, >>>>> Is your question one about usage as both spatial and temporal >>>>> dimensions? Because if so, lojban has no problem with that many time= s >>>>> things like that. "cimde" itself, for example, can be either measure= ment. >>>>> "ti" can be either "here" or "now". lidne can be referring either t= o >>>>> something in a line, a time sequence, or even just an abstract mathem= atical >>>>> concept. >>>>> >>>>> Or am I missing the subject of your query? >>>>> ---gejyspa >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 2:52 AM, Gleki Arxokuna < >>>>> gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> This differs with other usage where lamji4 was {lo ka ce'u ce'u >>>>>> purci}. >>>>>> >>>>>> {la potygug cu maji la sangug lo ka stuzi vau lo ka ce'u ce'u stici >>>>>> vo'a}? >>>>>> >>>>>> 2014-05-08 20:29 GMT+04:00 Pierre Abbat : >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thursday, May 08, 2014 15:47:45 Gleki Arxokuna wrote: >>>>>>> > what would be the most useful example of lamji with the four >>>>>>> places filled >>>>>>> > in? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Don't know about the *most* useful, but here's one: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> la .potygug. lamji la .sangug. lo ka stuzi lo stici >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The definition doesn't clarify whether lo ve lamji cu farna lo lamj= i >>>>>>> lo se >>>>>>> lamji gi'ikau farna lo se lamji lo lamji. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> mu'omi'e .pier. >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> La sal en el mar es m=C3=A1s que en la sangre. >>>>>>> Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners= . >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, sen= d >>>>> an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.co= m >>>>> . >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com= . >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send a= n >> email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. 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you said probably Pierre forgot to put {kei}. If so lamji4= =3Dstici1
However, the other examples shows lamji4 =3D=C2=A0{lo ka ce= 'u ce'u purci}.

The firs= t example describes an object, the second one is a clause.
Which one do you prefer?


2014-09-19 18:03 GMT+0= 4:00 Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>:
=C2=A0 Again, I'm not sure = what the conflict you see is, so that's why I am asking you to clarify.=
On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Gleki Arxokun= a <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, I just found this example in th= e corpus. So we have two conflicting views on how to fill it. If so what sh= all I do?
What is your opinion on lamji4?

2014-09-19 17:35 GMT+04:0= 0 Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>:
=C2=A0 I'm not asking about yo= ur original question. =C2=A0I'm asking about your comment on Pierre'= ;s example that it "differs with other usage where lamji4 was {lo ka ce'u ce'= u purci}."

On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 9:30 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
My question: give me a meaningful plixau exa= mples with all places of cimde filled with other than LA-sumti and pro-sumt= i.
If you are saying that a place can be filled only with them please e= xplcitely state that.
A translation (not glossing) to English is = required.

I'm working on =C2=A0new gimste with= usage examples. Without usage the word or a te sumti doesnt exist for me.<= /div>


2014-09-19 17:09 GMT+04:00 Michael Turniansky <mtu= rniansky@gmail.com>:
Gleki,=C2=A0
=C2=A0 Is your question one about usage as both= spatial and temporal dimensions? =C2=A0Because if so, lojban has no proble= m with that many times things like that. =C2=A0"cimde" itself, fo= r example, can be either measurement. =C2=A0"ti" can be either &q= uot;here" or "now". =C2=A0lidne can be referring either to s= omething in a line, a time sequence, or even just an abstract mathematical = concept.

=C2=A0 Or am I missing the subject of you= r query?
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ---gejyspa


On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 2:52 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.na= me@gmail.com> wrote:
This differs with other usage where lamji4 was {lo ka ce'u c= e'u purci}.

{la potygug cu maji la sangug lo ka = stuzi vau lo ka ce'u ce'u stici vo'a}?

2014-05-08 20:29 GMT= +04:00 Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org>:
On Thursday, May 08, 2014 15:47:45 Gleki Arxokuna wrot= e:
> what would be the most useful example of lamji with the four places fi= lled
> in?

Don't know about the *most* useful, but here's one:

la .potygug. lamji la .sangug. lo ka stuzi lo stici

The definition doesn't clarify whether lo ve lamji cu farna lo lamji lo= se
lamji gi'ikau farna lo se lamji lo lamji.

mu'omi'e .pier.
--
La sal en el mar es m=C3=A1s que en la sangre.
Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang.

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