Received: from mail-ig0-f183.google.com ([209.85.213.183]:41664) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XWoSc-0002T1-OE for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 08:26:37 -0700 Received: by mail-ig0-f183.google.com with SMTP id h15sf1124818igd.20 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 08:26:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=jl57+6dvhspJ1tliQUXxaMI0oUJtm9ndHtMFHrbMqZI=; b=pSu8ME26qfPQ10D8RgPOUUJ8Ph0vVEsKwUzHyaY0l4ZjwuglYdSGYA3166mx0agc5D A/9nTP7OF6DmLVS+jESgbjx+25NSkfl1GjpktozzuPFnC5iUNU1zjEtgXPPhFOP6Epic AsuKKKSPQooJZsumsZiT3XKeLvoP0bKMQAmqpTp67rGVMpW+54TFH6uFmeDTN2wlFzRy NpblMJdx6OtKgx2ZF4lTEPQswBsJ4HV1zvN0NVdbbANmr9actlURlubisuBaGXv3CzSI raFWdJHq9AzEdCLlMJEXvZQgxRg0eA4fZrfh5NOsNsuEw9Lk7ctxoQ4pKN68OciFwZ5x 3iEQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=jl57+6dvhspJ1tliQUXxaMI0oUJtm9ndHtMFHrbMqZI=; b=IETFuv1WmCXPnyXkstMZOqsyWapLwh5un1MN8eoVWSau4siMKahJYRjhncUfj+2NaA SXHniZ9HW0JxrLeqQgR2rj6ncp/QL52PEibz0mFcCIDM9hOB/eh/asMxG0xtP2t8Mqiu W1YbBkGj3siWwENL81ppxmR/AH2+CJ5nfDH2QeoDon/XxN3o4/REoZFQDWSno3QBDBJ6 ToQUx0VErxZ2FDekCwZtAnjDynA9lfqqCM2/8eH51hFxNsImN3/uIrL4siYaujPP1g2/ a9OHoZl2jUZvAUKjd5wLXBpoR8374fkrsdnee1P+YP8d43wmOYCbERhmcSmgqW+Pr2NW Vv8g== X-Received: by 10.140.27.166 with SMTP id 35mr61593qgx.5.1411572384509; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 08:26:24 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.33.133 with SMTP id j5ls496376qgj.1.gmail; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 08:26:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.92.226 with SMTP id b89mr9044qge.33.1411572383234; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 08:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 08:26:22 -0700 (PDT) From: TR NS To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] oi bei MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: transfire@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_432_521975559.1411572382363" X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Content-Length: 3162 ------=_Part_432_521975559.1411572382363 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Wednesday, September 24, 2014 10:43:48 AM UTC-4, Ian Johnson wrote: > > Though I suppose as xorxes pointed out, we could simply be forced to > terminate every {be ... be'o} construction. But {be} was conceived of, as > best I can tell, as being much like a genitive case (in English, like the > word "of"). Thus usually {be} appears with a single sumti in the chain, > which means saving the {be'o} saves more words, especially in speech, than > saving {bei} does. > > That makes sense. Thanks. Considering the reasoning, it seems to me that the most concise solution would be to have two different cmavo for {be}. One that only takes a single sumti, and another that can take any number but has to be terminated. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_432_521975559.1411572382363 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Wednesday, September 24, 2014 10:43:48 AM UTC-4= , Ian Johnson wrote:
Though I suppose as xorxes pointed out, we could simply be fo= rced to terminate every {be ... be'o} construction. But {be} was conceived = of, as best I can tell, as being much like a genitive case (in English, lik= e the word "of"). Thus usually {be} appears with a single sumti in the chai= n, which means saving the {be'o} saves more words, especially in speech, th= an saving {bei} does.


T= hat makes sense. Thanks.

Considering the reasoning= , it seems to me that the most concise solution would be to have two differ= ent cmavo for {be}. One that only takes a single sumti, and another that ca= n take any number but has to be terminated. 

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