Received: from mail-oa0-f56.google.com ([209.85.219.56]:41035) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XQmOf-0006wc-8N for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 07 Sep 2014 17:01:31 -0700 Received: by mail-oa0-f56.google.com with SMTP id jd19sf2939066oac.21 for ; Sun, 07 Sep 2014 17:01:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-transfer-encoding:content-type; bh=axos/3mRgwNhX/wzLkvwyMiaMC+L9LtXjcpGa6jku28=; b=wflzIlnAivRuwGYrs1xFVFmAXx8aVLeh4PAmDHiTXjd6tOamLc1zyYa+OVQG7aLdAx jxX3NOpX6IcKvbKBB8zkbFTnRGk/oaw7qkcZ5NiCjRAxbv+UbJyPrLRsIldk1GRk6+55 4NOSxXUArh4L+aO4EzL6G9JIOnuY0CxDKFLIaSTWGI4Dcv4NxWY0mCEELuVbLiU0r4dR w0+1kJ46GGHiMAGIUWelETuFNjekwEJBHGoSHdvyqV2TGKviuS8Kw8ijMZwKM9L1/0T0 pbQG7+KbN5ut5HJKuqjkWO6GIUZ/6CA2iag0ve+ZD+9tKjERJ2W2WskgNgBy7W16Fbgn F6tg== X-Received: by 10.50.153.77 with SMTP id ve13mr214804igb.16.1410134482897; Sun, 07 Sep 2014 17:01:22 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.47.68 with SMTP id b4ls1446383ign.10.gmail; Sun, 07 Sep 2014 17:01:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.66.157.197 with SMTP id wo5mr2232688pab.43.1410134481531; Sun, 07 Sep 2014 17:01:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com. [107.14.166.230]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id bb4si1065126pdb.1.2014.09.07.17.01.20 for ; Sun, 07 Sep 2014 17:01:21 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: none (google.com: phma@bezitopo.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) client-ip=107.14.166.230; Received: from [98.122.190.249] ([98.122.190.249:39529] helo=leopard.ixazon.lan) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id B2/C5-05246-0D1FC045; Mon, 08 Sep 2014 00:01:20 +0000 Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leopard.ixazon.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4152A3BAA for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2014 20:01:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] kiwi fu'ivla vs. the morphology Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2014 20:01:11 -0400 Message-ID: <2416906.3HGZMudIF3@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.13.3 (Linux/3.13.0-34-generic; KDE/4.13.3; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <8337FE1190FA4F7899AE3CE39A7F6111@gmail.com> References: <8337FE1190FA4F7899AE3CE39A7F6111@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.142:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: phma@bezitopo.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Content-Length: 1515 On Sunday, September 07, 2014 16:12:19 Alex Burka wrote: > Yesterday, I went to the farmers=E2=80=99 market and bought some kiwi ber= ries. Then, > I entered some stage-3 fu=E2=80=99ivla for kiwi fruits and kiwi berries (= they are > different, as I learned yesterday!) into jbovlaste. I spelled them > {grutrkiui} and {jbarnkiui}. It may be relevant to note that there is > already a stage-3.5 fu=E2=80=99ivla for kiwi bird, but spelled {cpirkivi}= . What's a stage 3.5 fu'ivla? {cpirkivi} is stage 4, not stage 3, and has the= =20 same form (in terms of valid initial pairs or not) as {skalduna}. As to the Chinese gooseberry, which I mentioned on IRC: I forgot the word f= or=20 gooseberry, which is {grosulari} (or {grosularia}), but a kiwifruit is not= =20 {jungo grosulari}, as it belongs to a different order than the gooseberry. All berries are fruits and all kiwifruits are berries. What should go in x2= of=20 {rutrkiui} or {jbarnkiui} (or {aktinidia}) to distinguish the species? Pierre --=20 The Black Garden on the Mountain is not on the Black Mountain. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.