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Opening a >>>> cupboard >>>> is "kargau", but that's what you do to the door; I'm talking about what >>>> you do >>>> to the cupboard. Any suggestions? >>>> >>> >>> I can't think of anything better than that, honestly. Is there any >>> language which uses a word that means something other than "open"? Can you >>> express the concept you're talking about in any language that you know, in >>> a dictionary definition way, as opposed to the list of examples you gave? >>> >>> Going way off the deep end, the act of opening a, say, cardboard box is >>> basically transforming a hollow, convex cube into a concave... >>> hexahedron?... for the purposes of gaining access to what was the interior, >>> but that seems to me just a very esoteric and wordy way to convey the exact >>> same thing "opening a box". >>> >>> -- >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! 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ko jorne la'e li 911

i zo aktygau c= u su'oroi mapti

2014-09-10 17:51 GMT+04:00 Jonathan Jones &= lt;eyeonus@gmail.com= >:
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 7:38= AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wr= ote:
jorne

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2014-09-10 17:36 GMT+04:00 Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>:
On Wed, Se= p 10, 2014 at 6:49 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrot= e:
The missing concept includes opening a file, accessing a webpage, opening a=
cupboard, opening a book, or accessing a memory location. Opening a cupboar= d
is "kargau", but that's what you do to the door; I'm talk= ing about what you do
to the cupboard. Any suggestions?
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I can't think of anything better than that, honestly. Is there any= language which uses a word that means something other than "open"= ;? Can you express the concept you're talking about in any language tha= t you know, in a dictionary definition way, as opposed to the list of examp= les you gave?

Going way off the dee= p end, the act of opening a, say, cardboard box is basically transforming a= hollow, convex cube into a concave... hexahedron?... for the purposes of g= aining access to what was the interior, but that seems to me just a very es= oteric and wordy way to convey the exact same thing "opening a box&quo= t;.

--
mu'o mi= 'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.l= uk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. = :D )

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