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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 14:59:19 -0400
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Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] oi bei
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On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 11:26 AM, TR NS <transfire@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Considering the reasoning, it seems to me that the most concise solution
> would be to have two different cmavo for {be}. One that only takes a single
> sumti, and another that can take any number but has to be terminated.
>
> This would be harder to learn, and it would require an amount of
forethought that isn't really worth the amount of word savings it would
provide.

Also, {bei} can be very useful for terminator elision. Another artificial
example:

{.i broda be lo nu brode lo nu brodi lo nu brodo lo nu brodo bei ko'a}

Writing that with {be*}, you would need:

{.i broda be* lo nu brode lo nu brodi lo nu brodo lo nu brodo kei kei kei
kei ko'a}

which is both much more verbose and much more difficult to read.

Actually, this has taught me a nice trick. If you have a bridi which you
anticipate will consist of a relationship between more than two bulky
sumti, put the selbri up front and then write it with {be}. (With two or
fewer you can exploit {cu} and conversion.) Then you can use {bei} to
terminate your big sumti.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On W=
ed, Sep 24, 2014 at 11:26 AM, TR NS <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:transfire@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">transfire@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> =
wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8=
ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr=
"><div><br></div><div>Considering the reasoning, it seems to me that the mo=
st concise solution would be to have two different cmavo for {be}. One that=
 only takes a single sumti, and another that can take any number but has to=
 be terminated.=C2=A0</div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span class=3D""><br></sp=
an></div></blockquote><div>This would be harder to learn, and it would requ=
ire an amount of forethought that isn&#39;t really worth the amount of word=
 savings it would provide. <br><br>Also, {bei} can be very useful for termi=
nator elision. Another artificial example:<br><br></div><div>{.i broda be l=
o nu brode lo nu brodi lo nu brodo lo nu brodo bei ko&#39;a}<br><br></div><=
div>Writing that with {be*}, you would need:<br><br>{.i broda be* lo nu bro=
de lo nu brodi lo nu brodo lo nu brodo kei kei kei kei ko&#39;a}<br><br></d=
iv><div>which is both much more verbose and much more difficult to read.<br=
><br></div><div>Actually, this has taught me a nice trick. If you have a br=
idi which you anticipate will consist of a relationship between more than t=
wo bulky sumti, put the selbri up front and then write it with {be}. (With =
two or fewer you can exploit {cu} and conversion.) Then you can use {bei} t=
o terminate your big sumti.<br></div><div><br></div><div>mi&#39;e la latro&=
#39;a mu&#39;o</div></div><br></div></div>

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