Received: from mail-qg0-f59.google.com ([209.85.192.59]:57975) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XXMuq-00025q-Iz for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 21:14:04 -0700 Received: by mail-qg0-f59.google.com with SMTP id f51sf1642562qge.24 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 21:13:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=lwxAzQJ6jGziHB+g4iGZ6aR3ElLEGHGiD8tQpiCj1FY=; b=hBq4tDPUyVfQz8lvRUxuP2WYRJjdMX+PxQIgpYAy7f1nvZ92olQ32MRmBtb86kZ7js znArn4HCMKedoxcXo8ATsHBGG6rP2LGKvuawXg/pQUg+fbhGdAHPjnfr8ZFRWeSx/2EJ VcU0GfcFkhvZDZ94a6s2hcnzW2tLaNAlguaginL/yefEIVIctT3Ofnh+T9/EwT0cXZhJ 31HnNv+gSIFLMSs1lB+K8KcuHEM7g1rUetxLxQKAf6xcpJ5pw0bgGyrL2obOdzZgXE/r 5mxD/hWTo4U+WUVpXdOX5H2k5DP06JxI8QjkMepmOnClLgJa7i4cKHDVqlLRbg+MZPeD pOCA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=lwxAzQJ6jGziHB+g4iGZ6aR3ElLEGHGiD8tQpiCj1FY=; b=zzTjbTUdOuLQkRczMOJwcxbUMwpIYCjJQ9ek8vZ9Sb1zQv+0omlSAwMqg9caviLd67 ReyKuA6Ii98icEGuwdFzGw0EiY3VE2x9x66z3ZRViZ4jRTARgiEOe6e48MESAR0luiZ5 kdwgtVrF/OjRP+5h89jTcz6nNpzXcIv+9DJsrj/rg2SwmU+Af+BPt91yTb2OnbwtlSVi r/HMzYO9RikEeXIOLF/N3bxBneo74n+Gk4mC+UmPGbJTclNW152rAkTZmoIW1kh6wlfA Po0752YM37SdloliSNgTKsTMdzFRaBg2esNC0kzE8QIrZF4T3y5IB462R5m9nmKMNdwR XHyA== X-Received: by 10.140.102.38 with SMTP id v35mr47927qge.6.1411704830066; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 21:13:50 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.96.56 with SMTP id j53ls1115994qge.28.gmail; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 21:13:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.21.51 with SMTP id 48mr47910qgk.12.1411704829034; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 21:13:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 21:13:48 -0700 (PDT) From: TR NS To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <1af22862-d063-40a4-a5bc-85b6cff56ac5@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: <9bc279e1-7b02-4bce-8290-377cded6aa0e@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] precise tenru MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: transfire@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_98_2135242757.1411704828382" X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Content-Length: 2981 ------=_Part_98_2135242757.1411704828382 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Thursday, September 25, 2014 8:34:03 PM UTC-4, tsani wrote: > > > There is some disagreement in what happens with the xN places where N > 1 > for je-tanru, but we all pretty much agree that the x1 must be the same. So > {klama je jubme} would require its x1 to be both a klama and a jubme. > > In general about precise tanru though, I have a system of interpretation > schemes. Tanru fit broadly into three categories: > > 1) Compositional tanru (interpreted with the Flipping Principle) > What is the Flipping Principle? > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_98_2135242757.1411704828382 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Thursday, September 25, 2014 8:34:03 PM UTC-4, = tsani wrote:
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There is some disagreeme= nt in what happens with the xN places where N > 1 for je-tanru, but we a= ll pretty much agree that the x1 must be the same. So {klama je jubme} woul= d require its x1 to be both a klama and a jubme.

I= n general about precise tanru though, I have a system of interpretation sch= emes. Tanru fit broadly into three categories:

1) = Compositional tanru (interpreted with the Flipping Principle)

What is the Flipping Principle?<= /div>
 

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