Received: from mail-wg0-f59.google.com ([74.125.82.59]:65344) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XXZjb-0008V5-C9 for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 10:55:16 -0700 Received: by mail-wg0-f59.google.com with SMTP id x13sf882168wgg.24 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 10:55:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=kXwRNOZEX/nJ9CVjjRY7usY4e42e2VsJ1+3GZ0uP8gY=; b=nrnyoMPgPryM8J0KldaRrUrcwLTFCXp1f4PzNkDpmef82esBXa0M9PVlveJ9a9TF8F EJ0EaYIK5M8m9RaciKhJxch/JGFRoT9PqKNV8kEGNYXs63NKahpbWUFCN8q3g2ywdvOW n7Q/Mr/f8uEIFNweLF0dWLmKbrHPFpGeCC9YPvXUphUjr1u937uRUrio8tyL1vwr9j55 37PTrgV+sSFv0kosgNjnaNhckUwKccQ6aZezzwrKSKhY6y/25H6IDBKHAkYw4wMITKY8 ZTvQPDb41R72++LgKD46wNzES7bPMYPdNtzOF2QR8KEB/9nXYRi+IWz6qMZPO94TqXDR lgwA== X-Received: by 10.152.10.4 with SMTP id e4mr68201lab.6.1411754103918; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 10:55:03 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.152.20.6 with SMTP id j6ls373253lae.24.gmail; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 10:55:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.152.6.195 with SMTP id d3mr1022laa.10.1411754101385; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 10:55:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-la0-x22b.google.com (mail-la0-x22b.google.com [2a00:1450:4010:c03::22b]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id us10si72852lbc.1.2014.09.26.10.55.01 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 26 Sep 2014 10:55:01 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c03::22b as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4010:c03::22b; Received: by mail-la0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id gb8so5487026lab.30 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 10:55:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.202.135 with SMTP id ki7mr18269141lac.16.1411754101249; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 10:55:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.4.163 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 10:55:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <0bd58a8b-0623-4a79-8eff-efef1fd92144@googlegroups.com> References: <9bc279e1-7b02-4bce-8290-377cded6aa0e@googlegroups.com> <2a66ca19-c754-411b-aef5-188698d13207@googlegroups.com> <56379c9e-0dd4-46ce-9941-76e098ca39ee@googlegroups.com> <0bd58a8b-0623-4a79-8eff-efef1fd92144@googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 21:55:01 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] precise tenru From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c03::22b as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1135fb42b71c6b0503fb9df1 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Content-Length: 5716 --001a1135fb42b71c6b0503fb9df1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2014-09-26 21:35 GMT+04:00 TR NS : > > > On Friday, September 26, 2014 12:01:58 PM UTC-4, tsani wrote: >> >> Tanru are simple, and less verbose constructs are typically less precise. >> Tanru are designed to be inexact in their meaning, and are designed to be >> highly dependent on context. If you don't like that, then don't use tanru; >> if you want to be precise, there're a multitude of alternatives. >> >> > It's not a matter of me not liking it. I just want to know if that is the > intent, in light of the fact that much idiom is the consequent. > practice shows that tanru remain vague and dont lead to any idioms. > > Actually, that reminds me. I think people get the wrong idea about my > questions sometimes. Please don't misconstrue my questions for > disgruntlement. I am simply trying to understand the "why" of things. That > includes asking about possible alternate approaches --sometimes asking "why > not" gives much more insight than just asking "why". > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. 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2014-09-26 21:35 GMT+04:00 TR NS <transfire@gmail.com>= :

<= br>On Friday, September 26, 2014 12:01:58 PM UTC-4, tsani wrote:
Tanru are simple, and less verbose constructs are typically less pr= ecise. Tanru are designed to be inexact in their meaning, and are designed = to be highly dependent on context. If you don't like that, then don'= ;t use tanru; if you want to be precise, there're a multitude of altern= atives.


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It's not a matter of me not liking it. I just want to know i= f that is the intent, in light of the fact that much idiom is the consequen= t.
practice shows that tanru remain vague and = dont lead to any idioms.
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Actually, that reminds me. I think = people get the wrong idea about my questions sometimes. Please don't mi= sconstrue my questions for disgruntlement. I am simply trying to understand= the "why" of things. That includes asking about possible alterna= te approaches --sometimes asking "why not" gives much more insigh= t than just asking "why".

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